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Thiel Audio TT1 loudspeaker TJN's In-Room Measurements

Tue, 08/23/2016

COMMENTS
DaveinSM's picture

hmmm, it sure seems to me that Thiel is banking on its high end reputation to charge a premium for speakers that look like PSBs with fancy wood veneers. Jim Thiel's designs may have been "idiosyncratic", but they sure sounded good to me. Besides, I just couldn't bring myself to spend seven grand on a small floorstander that seems to need a good sub or two to be gratifyingly full range.

Anton's picture

So, they ditched Thiel's designs, brought in Mark Mason and then parted ways with him...and have a 'name' with no continuity of design philosophy or driver manufacturing infrastructure.

Basically, the have paid for brand name nostalgia at this point.

Venere's picture

Clearly banking on brand recognition. Happens all the time in other industries. In the high-end automotive world look no further than Bugatti, Bentley, and Lamborghini, now all owned by VW Group and designed and built by various international teams. Thiel probably aren't setting any sales records (in fact I would be very surprised if they survive in this ultra-competitive market), but I bet they're doing better than if they were marketing the new "Mason TT1".

mikerr's picture

I don't know how I ever came upon Thiel speakers but I just love them.
I started out with the 04a's back in the olden days ( I still have them)...I also have and have had several sets of other model Thiels.
Not too long ago I scored a pair of 1.7's (which to me are more related to the 3.7's than even the 2.7 due to it's folded piston driver). The 1.7 I believe was an affordable ($4000) mishmash of the 3.7 and 2.7 that was put together right after Jim Thiel passed-away.
I feel that my 1.7's are 'the' Last TRUE Thiel speaker and Wow do they sound AMAZING !!!
The new Thiels seem so disappointing, of course the Legacy was broken when the blueprints were thrown out. If I were in the market for a High end speaker I would seek out one of the 3 Thiels I've mentioned here. buy according to how much you can spend. I bought my 1.7's on ebay for 1/3rd of the original cost and I guarantee you these guys are "Special".
I've been watching several sets of the NEW Thiel company's speakers on ebay and none of them are even getting a minimum bid at auction end, while Jim Thiel designs are selling well ...for good reason.
My 1.7's have 'life' and 'focus'. It is a thrill to come home to these every night.

DanGB's picture

Imagine if someone bought out Martin-Logan, and immediately phased out the electrostatic speakers from the range, or if Tannoy had new owners who ditched the dual-concentric drivers.

These speakers may be good, they may be not, but one thing they aren't is Thiels.

DaveinSM's picture

The Thiel website has been static for quite some time now, and even their facebook presence has been pretty much silent lately. It's like nothing is happening over there in those fancy new Tennessee offices. It's sad, really. I think that the same thing has happened to a lesser degree over at Krell. Cheaper designs at higher prices to cash in on the name recognition. Except for the super high end, it seems like high end audio is declining.

Allen Fant's picture

Another happy Thiel owner here (CS2.4 SE).
Excellent overview- TJN.

Allen Fant's picture

Wise man- DaveinSM.
Krell is in the same boat, so to speak.

John Atkinson's picture
Allen Fant wrote:
Krell is in the same boat, so to speak.

I understand that Rondi D'Agostino, one of Krell's founders and Dan's ex-wife, has bought out the owners and is now running the company again. www.stereophile.com/content/sisters-sound-rondi-dagostino.

John Atkinson
Editor, Stereophile

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Thiel Audio TT1 loudspeaker Measurements

Tue, 08/23/2016

COMMENTS
DaveinSM's picture

hmmm, it sure seems to me that Thiel is banking on its high end reputation to charge a premium for speakers that look like PSBs with fancy wood veneers. Jim Thiel's designs may have been "idiosyncratic", but they sure sounded good to me. Besides, I just couldn't bring myself to spend seven grand on a small floorstander that seems to need a good sub or two to be gratifyingly full range.

Anton's picture

So, they ditched Thiel's designs, brought in Mark Mason and then parted ways with him...and have a 'name' with no continuity of design philosophy or driver manufacturing infrastructure.

Basically, the have paid for brand name nostalgia at this point.

Venere's picture

Clearly banking on brand recognition. Happens all the time in other industries. In the high-end automotive world look no further than Bugatti, Bentley, and Lamborghini, now all owned by VW Group and designed and built by various international teams. Thiel probably aren't setting any sales records (in fact I would be very surprised if they survive in this ultra-competitive market), but I bet they're doing better than if they were marketing the new "Mason TT1".

mikerr's picture

I don't know how I ever came upon Thiel speakers but I just love them.
I started out with the 04a's back in the olden days ( I still have them)...I also have and have had several sets of other model Thiels.
Not too long ago I scored a pair of 1.7's (which to me are more related to the 3.7's than even the 2.7 due to it's folded piston driver). The 1.7 I believe was an affordable ($4000) mishmash of the 3.7 and 2.7 that was put together right after Jim Thiel passed-away.
I feel that my 1.7's are 'the' Last TRUE Thiel speaker and Wow do they sound AMAZING !!!
The new Thiels seem so disappointing, of course the Legacy was broken when the blueprints were thrown out. If I were in the market for a High end speaker I would seek out one of the 3 Thiels I've mentioned here. buy according to how much you can spend. I bought my 1.7's on ebay for 1/3rd of the original cost and I guarantee you these guys are "Special".
I've been watching several sets of the NEW Thiel company's speakers on ebay and none of them are even getting a minimum bid at auction end, while Jim Thiel designs are selling well ...for good reason.
My 1.7's have 'life' and 'focus'. It is a thrill to come home to these every night.

DanGB's picture

Imagine if someone bought out Martin-Logan, and immediately phased out the electrostatic speakers from the range, or if Tannoy had new owners who ditched the dual-concentric drivers.

These speakers may be good, they may be not, but one thing they aren't is Thiels.

DaveinSM's picture

The Thiel website has been static for quite some time now, and even their facebook presence has been pretty much silent lately. It's like nothing is happening over there in those fancy new Tennessee offices. It's sad, really. I think that the same thing has happened to a lesser degree over at Krell. Cheaper designs at higher prices to cash in on the name recognition. Except for the super high end, it seems like high end audio is declining.

Allen Fant's picture

Another happy Thiel owner here (CS2.4 SE).
Excellent overview- TJN.

Allen Fant's picture

Wise man- DaveinSM.
Krell is in the same boat, so to speak.

John Atkinson's picture
Allen Fant wrote:
Krell is in the same boat, so to speak.

I understand that Rondi D'Agostino, one of Krell's founders and Dan's ex-wife, has bought out the owners and is now running the company again. www.stereophile.com/content/sisters-sound-rondi-dagostino.

John Atkinson
Editor, Stereophile

Pages

Thiel Audio TT1 loudspeaker Associated Equipment

Tue, 08/23/2016

COMMENTS
DaveinSM's picture

hmmm, it sure seems to me that Thiel is banking on its high end reputation to charge a premium for speakers that look like PSBs with fancy wood veneers. Jim Thiel's designs may have been "idiosyncratic", but they sure sounded good to me. Besides, I just couldn't bring myself to spend seven grand on a small floorstander that seems to need a good sub or two to be gratifyingly full range.

Anton's picture

So, they ditched Thiel's designs, brought in Mark Mason and then parted ways with him...and have a 'name' with no continuity of design philosophy or driver manufacturing infrastructure.

Basically, the have paid for brand name nostalgia at this point.

Venere's picture

Clearly banking on brand recognition. Happens all the time in other industries. In the high-end automotive world look no further than Bugatti, Bentley, and Lamborghini, now all owned by VW Group and designed and built by various international teams. Thiel probably aren't setting any sales records (in fact I would be very surprised if they survive in this ultra-competitive market), but I bet they're doing better than if they were marketing the new "Mason TT1".

mikerr's picture

I don't know how I ever came upon Thiel speakers but I just love them.
I started out with the 04a's back in the olden days ( I still have them)...I also have and have had several sets of other model Thiels.
Not too long ago I scored a pair of 1.7's (which to me are more related to the 3.7's than even the 2.7 due to it's folded piston driver). The 1.7 I believe was an affordable ($4000) mishmash of the 3.7 and 2.7 that was put together right after Jim Thiel passed-away.
I feel that my 1.7's are 'the' Last TRUE Thiel speaker and Wow do they sound AMAZING !!!
The new Thiels seem so disappointing, of course the Legacy was broken when the blueprints were thrown out. If I were in the market for a High end speaker I would seek out one of the 3 Thiels I've mentioned here. buy according to how much you can spend. I bought my 1.7's on ebay for 1/3rd of the original cost and I guarantee you these guys are "Special".
I've been watching several sets of the NEW Thiel company's speakers on ebay and none of them are even getting a minimum bid at auction end, while Jim Thiel designs are selling well ...for good reason.
My 1.7's have 'life' and 'focus'. It is a thrill to come home to these every night.

DanGB's picture

Imagine if someone bought out Martin-Logan, and immediately phased out the electrostatic speakers from the range, or if Tannoy had new owners who ditched the dual-concentric drivers.

These speakers may be good, they may be not, but one thing they aren't is Thiels.

DaveinSM's picture

The Thiel website has been static for quite some time now, and even their facebook presence has been pretty much silent lately. It's like nothing is happening over there in those fancy new Tennessee offices. It's sad, really. I think that the same thing has happened to a lesser degree over at Krell. Cheaper designs at higher prices to cash in on the name recognition. Except for the super high end, it seems like high end audio is declining.

Allen Fant's picture

Another happy Thiel owner here (CS2.4 SE).
Excellent overview- TJN.

Allen Fant's picture

Wise man- DaveinSM.
Krell is in the same boat, so to speak.

John Atkinson's picture
Allen Fant wrote:
Krell is in the same boat, so to speak.

I understand that Rondi D'Agostino, one of Krell's founders and Dan's ex-wife, has bought out the owners and is now running the company again. www.stereophile.com/content/sisters-sound-rondi-dagostino.

John Atkinson
Editor, Stereophile

Pages

Listening #165 Page 2

Tue, 08/23/2016

COMMENTS
David Harper's picture

don't let someone else turn you into an asshole. That's all that's taking place when you answer a rude comment with a rude response.
And your first response to that letter 15 years ago was likely less clever and funny than you thought.

Venere's picture

I'd probably enjoy reading Art's original response from 15 years ago. Does that make me an asshole? Or just a fan of black comedy? Ahhh, shades of gray in the world. Don't it just drive you crazy?

Anton's picture

I understand being against "assholery," but then why the ongoing fetish for antagonizing a perfectly great part of the hobby for someone who may enjoy or emphasize soundstaging??

I'm not sure if you caught the paradox here in your piece this month.

Your quote: "I doubt it would hold the attention of those who think that high-end audio is all about "reproducing the soundstage"

OK, a 'screw you' to people who enjoy the illusion of soundstaging. I don't get that.

You also say this, "nasty, narcissistic, socially inept, cowardly pugilists who detest seeing anyone enjoy the world in a manner different from the way in which they enjoy the world," then you make it a specific point to show your own disdain for people who emphasize "soundstaging." Why? Because it is different from the way you think people should enjoy the hobby?

I think you just did what you claim to disdain.

_

Last note: waiting for the final outcome regarding the record's possession, I was interested in seeing, given the value of the LP and your position to cherry pick a library fundraiser, what you decided was the proper amount to pay the library for the record?

(Disclaimer: No assholery intended, and I do not have a dog in the fight between Art and his nemiseseses who like soundstaging.)

Art Dudley's picture
"...I think you just did what you claim to disdain."

Absolutely, 100 percent true.

I'm grateful for your thoughtful reply to my column. As for the LP, we decided on a $100 donation to the library, which we filed under "What the heck—it's tax-deductible!"
tonykaz's picture

I've rather admired Art Dudley's defense of Analog, mainly because it's genuine. I've felt it tended to take the form of Acid Spitting so I've avoided debating with him. Still, Analog is worthy of defense and Art Dudley seems it's highest ranking Authority. There are quite a few others ( some are my past Audio customers ) that maintain vast record collections, like TTVJ in Montana with his 12,000 Albums dating back to his very first purchased.

This last year, working on the Bernie Sanders support team, I was shocked to hear and see the "nastiness" of folks chanting "Lock her up" and "Lying Hillary"., being incited by Group Leaders, Talk Radio, and Alt.Republican Candidates.

I've felt that Art Dudley is a decent person, someone I'd enjoy having as a next-door neighbor, I followed along as he visited ARC in Minnesota ( nice reporting ), I'd regret his absence if he went to another industry.

and,

I'd suggest he not fuel the flames of those alt. types by giving anyone a "emotional reaction" to taunting, it's exactly what they're looking for.

Tony in Michigan

Anton's picture

I think he'd be about the perfect neighbor.

Multiple interests, seems like you could pry a little wine into him, can break free of the shackles of 'gynecologic Hi Fi' and enjoy music for its own sake, etc...

The fun of reading Stereophile's recurring columns is the wonderful insight the reviewers give into other aspects of life and philosophy.

I'd happily live next door to any of the column writers, except Kal....he likes multi-channel. :-O ;-D

tonykaz's picture

Darn, we're missing a good one. Tyll is there and will be journalizing for us.

Mr.Dudley would be a good one. I have one neighbor that Edits Video ( also a bicycle guy,like me ), has tons of insight in Broadcast stuff & Studio recording.

I need new friends, those I had are dying-off, geeky ones that wanna explore are my favorites.

Tony in Michigan

dalethorn's picture

Says the pot to the kettle.

dalethorn's picture

Good people are passionate about things, not usually politically correct except in mixed company outside of their passionate interest area. The problem with some of these confessions on behalf of others is it still sounds like angry criticism, with a smiley face on. Like politicians do.

Herb Reichert's picture

superannuated

Anton's picture

Superannuated, yet more.

You are supererogatory, all the way.

rt66indierock's picture

Your advice isn’t obsolete. Let’s review. The room is the most important part of the system. “You can’t overload the room and expect natural timbre and clarity”. “Pick a classic new or used speaker that has proven its worth through the test of time”. Turn down the volume on your audio system. “The classic amps, the ones people keep playing music with have a few things in common”. “The Linn LP12 and Rega tables are a good place to start”. “Buying a satisfying music playback system from a high-end audio salon is nearly impossible”. I received the same advice from electrical and nuclear engineers who loved music in the seventies except Garrard 301 and 401 turntables were substituted for the Rega. This advice still makes people happy today. I know because from time to time I will pull back the conference table in my office and let people listen to music in my office.

“My heart is truly with the music lover”. Of course it is my home system is 28 years old this month. And I’ve owned the speakers and amplifier in my office for 30 years. I spend my time enjoying music.

tonykaz's picture

Sweet little TT, always loved it.

Tony in Michigan

volvic's picture

Used to have three of those furry little critters, they loved Mozart, but did not like the romantics or hyper romantics, yet strangely loved John Tavener. Caught them chewing on my Bohm Shubert 9th record once, moved everything higher. Last one lived 11 years, they taught me to play my music at lower levels so as not to stress them. Till this day no longer feel the need to crank it up.

tgibbs's picture

As a writer and reviewer, facing negativity is nothing new to me, and I really can appreciate Art's approach to dealing with it as I struggle with the same kind of considerations on a regular basis.

A few hours after having read Art's piece, I strayed over to AA and happened to catch a "rebuttal" of sorts that had been "moved to a more appropriate venue" because of the acerbic nature of the comments. I've read some serious BS over there, and my tolerance for some of the crap that goes on between various personalities is pretty high, but the level of suggested violence towards Art from the person posting was pretty shocking. Frankly, I'm embarrassed that anyone from the audio community could allow themselves to lapse to such a deep level of cold-bloodedness.

I follow a lot of online conversations with regard to the audiophile experience, in hopes of helping better inform my own playback of music from various sources. Disagreements between personalities abound, but much like the current political arena, the end result between many of the parties is hopefully more of an "agree to disagree" sort of scenario. Civility is essential to helping further the conversation.

I've had my fair share of nut-job reactions from readers over a couple of decades, not the least of which was one who became so enamoured with a positive product review that he decided I was his new BFF, and it almost took a restraining order to get him to back off.

I've only seen a brief snapshot of what's going on here, but it's shocking (and very disheartening) nonetheless.

Tom

senojhrj1's picture

When you are arguing with an idiot, make sure the other person isn't doing the same thing.

David Harper's picture

online flame throwing is a lot like road rage. A purely visceral response. I was involved in a really ugly road rage incident a couple months ago. Afterwards I was so disturbed by what I had done that it caused me to re-examine everything about myself and my behavior that day. The police came and everything that day. We were both standing outside of our cars when the police arrived. It could have turned out much worse than it did. In the end, we both went our separate ways with no hard feelings, but an unbearable stupidity set in for me in the following days.How could I behave like such an idiot? What was I thinking? I almost wrecked my three week old car. A 2016 Honda civic. I believe the experience has changed me. I'll never do it again.

dalethorn's picture

The car can be a great defense weapon, if you need it. The key is to stay inside, call the police first thing, do what they say.

es347's picture

1...your wife's suggestion was akin to the Bible's instruction to treat with kindness thereby "heaping burning coals upon the head"
2...I'm no prude but I always am turned off by a journalist dropping F-bombs for no apparent reason

..carry on

tonykaz's picture

You woke me up by mentioning Bozak. Rudy and my father were neighbors in Uniontown Pa, they were the same age. My dad was delighted to see Bozak Speakers in our local Stereoland ( 1963 ), a person bought Macintosh Amps and Bozak Loudspeakers. ( speaker cable was Lamp power cord, brown in our case ) We were still Mono, still playing 78s but we had a Benjamin changer with a 'flip' needle to play 33 Long Playing Albums.

Thank you (for my long passed father) for remembering & mentioning Bozak and for my Mother who sang accompaniment to many an Opera playing on that System, we thought it was wonderful, our neighbors loved it, we lived a charmed life ( I guess ).

I was in charge of setting the RIAA switches ( an important responsibility ).

Tony in Michigan

jazzdude6's picture

I too would love to have Art Dudley as a neighbor..or a friend. Since reading this article in Stereophile, I have been looking myself in the mirror and carefully monitoring my on-line and everyday behavior. I'm admittedly not objective about Art and his likes and advice, I love Tubes, SET, LPs, Audio Note UK, Vintage Horn speakers and DeVore Fidelity. My wife is a great inspiration as well....Once or twice a week (at least) she mentions that I should pull my head out of my a**. Of course, she is correct 99.9% of the time

Pryso's picture

As a long-ago subscriber to The Listener I enjoyed the presence of the occasional bunny. Now, during my morning walk I sometimes scare up a bunny feeding in the landscaping. Whenever I do I'll say "Good morning Art, sorry to disturb your breakfast." I'm sure they are all named Art.

I've loved that gentle reminder not to take things too seriously or allow myself to become wound too tight.

So thanks Art, keep up the good fight, even if it is with a velvet (velveteen?) glove.

tonykaz's picture

I suppose I'd have to have that Album and Del Shannon if I could find it.

We wouldn't have Music like that in our house, Mom would say it's "a bad influence" but we'd have it on our 9-Transistor Radios if we could listen thru the tiny headphone jack, into our tiny (fragile connector ) ear phone! My school friend actually had Chubby Checker on 45 and plenty of the Venture type music, even Elvis for gods sake. ( I had to live a double life, music wise ). "Little Drummer Boy" & Bing Crosby were approved. "West Side Story" finally broke thru my parents ban on Popular Music just in time for the Beatles and the Beach Boys, a Kenwood Reciever & KLH Speakers. We even got a Garard Changer with a Wooden Arm. We Kids had our own music system ( bedroom ) and parents had the Macintosh/Bozak.

Those were the days,

Tony in Michigan

bravofan's picture

Did you know that's not the Ventures on the cover of their first Dolton album, Walk Don't Run? The record company didn't have any pictures of the band because they were already on the road. They used a picture of some guys who worked in the stockroom downstairs at Liberty Records. They put dark glasses on them and had them falling over drums and stuff, then put a pretty girl walking by in the forefront so no one would notice their faces!

tonykaz's picture

Thanks for allowing a bit of reminiscing.

Tony in Michigan

mrvco's picture

So much of the audiophile vitriol comes down to my art reproduction preferences are different than your art reproduction preferences, so you're wrong and I'm right.

It's a bit like collectors of renaissance paintings bragging about and arguing over their choices in spectacles.

Allen Fant's picture

Both of you guys get a "Bunny".

Benphysics's picture

Hi, to all of you proclaimed audiophiles. I am now 65, and have been a music enthusiast since my first sound system when I was 20. So often I went into audiophile stores only to be snobed by salesman who think that an audiophile is a breed so high above the others that they have forgotten that anyone can be an audiophile. I've owned and build endless audio equipment from preamps, expanders, amps, speakers enclosures, turntables, etc., because whatever was on the market could not satisfy my ever seeking finer and finer details in a piece of music. When I listen to music, I enjoy initiating others to my love for music. I never criticize their state of evolution is the art of listening and appreciating music, for everyone has a different hearing thumbprint. In the many years I've cultivated an incalculable number of music enthusiasts, and made many audiophile friends who share the same passion as I. It is not because one does not have many thousands of dollars to purchase expensive audiophile equipment that he or she cannot be a music lover. Many audio enthusiasts came to me for advice for the best they could afford so they could at least get some satisfaction. Most often, we would go out and buy a good quality stereo receiver; used got us further for the money. We would look for a decent turntable with a good cartridge, and then we would go into my shop and make our own speaker enclosures to match decent raw speakers and design the crossovers to best suit his or her listening preferences. Who says that: to enjoy music, it must be flat? How ridiculous. Do you eat your burger, patty and bun alone? No you don't; you like it better with a little flavor enhancers (mustard, pickles, tomatoes, lettuce, ketchup, etc.). Music is the same thing; whichever gets shivers crawling up your spine is what keeps you coming back for more. There are too many self proclaimed audiophiles who think that they have reach the pinnacle of audio listening because they are capable of resigning to listening music in its flat configuration. How dull; there is an endless myriad of moods a piece of music can deliver. If to be an audiophile you must listen to music only in its flat mood, then I do not want to be an audiophile; every day is a different mood, and I do not want to miss out on any of them.

Benphysics

Archimago's picture

Great comment Ben.

It touches on very important aspects of the divide between "audiophiles".

I believe there are different motivations the audio lover has available to him/her. Often when we're not on the same page, arguments ensue, resulting in unhappiness reminiscent more of political debates or religious "holy wars".

I've always believed there are 2 general motivations behind this hobby. The "Music Lover" hobby: the motivation of finding joy in the subjective experience. The pleasure of sharing this joy with others around. And the "Hardware Audiophile" motivation around potential of the hardware itself. Some collect hardware. Some enjoy listening to various gear to say they've heard how the different range of hardware out there can perform.

I think you've described a beautiful synthesis between the 2 motivations, one who can enjoy the music and tune the hardware to his liking, sharing this hobby with others. That's I think a great demonstration of your maturity.

Just to address your comment about "flat"... Realize that for many of us, it's not about "flat" as in bland. It's about "fidelity". By definition, if the job of the equipment is just to "get out of the way" as a standard of what we're after, then I think that's not unreasonable to aim for technically accurate abilities through the whole playback chain. No coloration is the goal and motivation and that's no less worthwhile as any other (personally this is the only definition of "fidelity" that makes sense to me). That does not make the sound any less "spine tingling" and certainly if one starts with a playback chain capable of technical accuracy in dynamics, frequency and time domains, then one can do things like add EQ or DSP effects as desired to produce a subjectively favourable sound. I'm happy to ascribe the "spine tingling" experience to the artist's skill and the hardware was good enough to get out of the way of that emotional connection.

I agree that in all of this, there is no need for anger and unhappiness. People can pick and choose their motivations and certainly their subjective preference. Certainly there is never justification for the sense of snobbish superiority as I have experienced in some of the audiophile stores as well... That along with excessive hype and bizarre claims that insult the intelligence of the public does nothing to develop interest in this hobby IMO.

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Thiel Audio TT1 loudspeaker Specifications

Tue, 08/23/2016

COMMENTS
DaveinSM's picture

hmmm, it sure seems to me that Thiel is banking on its high end reputation to charge a premium for speakers that look like PSBs with fancy wood veneers. Jim Thiel's designs may have been "idiosyncratic", but they sure sounded good to me. Besides, I just couldn't bring myself to spend seven grand on a small floorstander that seems to need a good sub or two to be gratifyingly full range.

Anton's picture

So, they ditched Thiel's designs, brought in Mark Mason and then parted ways with him...and have a 'name' with no continuity of design philosophy or driver manufacturing infrastructure.

Basically, the have paid for brand name nostalgia at this point.

Venere's picture

Clearly banking on brand recognition. Happens all the time in other industries. In the high-end automotive world look no further than Bugatti, Bentley, and Lamborghini, now all owned by VW Group and designed and built by various international teams. Thiel probably aren't setting any sales records (in fact I would be very surprised if they survive in this ultra-competitive market), but I bet they're doing better than if they were marketing the new "Mason TT1".

mikerr's picture

I don't know how I ever came upon Thiel speakers but I just love them.
I started out with the 04a's back in the olden days ( I still have them)...I also have and have had several sets of other model Thiels.
Not too long ago I scored a pair of 1.7's (which to me are more related to the 3.7's than even the 2.7 due to it's folded piston driver). The 1.7 I believe was an affordable ($4000) mishmash of the 3.7 and 2.7 that was put together right after Jim Thiel passed-away.
I feel that my 1.7's are 'the' Last TRUE Thiel speaker and Wow do they sound AMAZING !!!
The new Thiels seem so disappointing, of course the Legacy was broken when the blueprints were thrown out. If I were in the market for a High end speaker I would seek out one of the 3 Thiels I've mentioned here. buy according to how much you can spend. I bought my 1.7's on ebay for 1/3rd of the original cost and I guarantee you these guys are "Special".
I've been watching several sets of the NEW Thiel company's speakers on ebay and none of them are even getting a minimum bid at auction end, while Jim Thiel designs are selling well ...for good reason.
My 1.7's have 'life' and 'focus'. It is a thrill to come home to these every night.

DanGB's picture

Imagine if someone bought out Martin-Logan, and immediately phased out the electrostatic speakers from the range, or if Tannoy had new owners who ditched the dual-concentric drivers.

These speakers may be good, they may be not, but one thing they aren't is Thiels.

DaveinSM's picture

The Thiel website has been static for quite some time now, and even their facebook presence has been pretty much silent lately. It's like nothing is happening over there in those fancy new Tennessee offices. It's sad, really. I think that the same thing has happened to a lesser degree over at Krell. Cheaper designs at higher prices to cash in on the name recognition. Except for the super high end, it seems like high end audio is declining.

Allen Fant's picture

Another happy Thiel owner here (CS2.4 SE).
Excellent overview- TJN.

Allen Fant's picture

Wise man- DaveinSM.
Krell is in the same boat, so to speak.

John Atkinson's picture
Allen Fant wrote:
Krell is in the same boat, so to speak.

I understand that Rondi D'Agostino, one of Krell's founders and Dan's ex-wife, has bought out the owners and is now running the company again. www.stereophile.com/content/sisters-sound-rondi-dagostino.

John Atkinson
Editor, Stereophile

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Listening #165

Fifteen years ago, when I was the Editor of Listener, I wrote a response to a reader's letter in which I repaid unpleasantness with unpleasantness: something I justified by flattering myself that my brand of unpleasantness had the advantage of being clever. Not satisfied with making his point sound foolish, I made certain that the writer of that letter would himself be made to look ridiculous. I made fun of his name, too.

Prior to publication, I showed my handiwork to my wife, Janet, as per my usual practice. I expected her to laugh at the funny bits and praise my superior logic, also as per usual.

Tue, 08/23/2016

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