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slight of hand for the masses.
Well, the "masses" don't care about vinyl.
The masses never heard vinyl just like they never heard of the Geneva Convention. Just ask them, they'll tell ya it was probably where the evangelists decided what to put in the Bible in Mobile, Alabama.
Yikes!
I saw the banner and assumed it was an ad for Warner's return to vinyl.
Oh, well.
Heh...good one. You're pretty funny there Lamont.
Of course, those that DID hear about the Geneva Conventions might be forgiven if they don't take it seriously any more when our outgoing administration (can't remember if it was Rumsfeld or Cheney) publicly called it "antiquated."
Is there such a thing as an outgoing administration? Actually, it is Mr. Gonzales that is misquoted on that..."In my judgment, this new paradigm renders obsolete Geneva's strict limitations on questioning of enemy prisoners and renders quaint some of its provisions." In short, "The Geneva Convention is antiquated."
Here lies the problem. Who has actually read the Geneva Convention? Who has actually heard good vinyl?
"Here lies the problem. Who has actually read the Geneva Convention? Who has actually heard good vinyl? "
Thanks for the quote clarification. As for the actually reading the Geneva conventions, I can't claim to have, despite being an avid student of 20th Century history. But I get the gist from numerous accounts of former POWs who did get treated within the stated bounds, and those that didn't. Up until recently it was US policy (I know- not always in practice) to abide by these guidelines, and we were seen as the better nation for it.
As for good vinyl? I have many hundreds of GREAT sounding LPs as do many around here do too.
Good vinyl is superb. Reading the Geneva Convention is flat and boring. What war are you referring to where our POWs were treated under the guidance of the Geneva Convention? Germany? Japan? North Korea? North Vietnam? Dare I even mention China and the Soviet Union? The United States probably has done better than any other country during time of armed conflict with people we have captured on the battlefields and that isn't saying much. We only have to look on Nazi war criminal interrogations after WWII. The Geneva Conventon is a joke. It was written on how war is to be conducted. No different than The Hague's world court. That is if you want to compare apples with apples. How naive can we be to believe with contempt prior to investigation that a document will prevail over the conduct of war? Example, just getting some of these war criminals to The Hague is a violation of the Geneva Convention. Holding alleged war criminals at The Hague under an indefinite trial is also a violation of the Geneva Convention. Should we hold The Netherlands responsible? The same people, that as civilians, were tortured and murdered for assisting The Allies during WWII. Good luck with that. As for our own little world court down on Gitmo? It should have never been started. But do we want to be the ones standing on that wall? Right now, we have the luxury of not knowing what those that do stand on that wall know or did you not see the deer on a freeway look on the president-elect as he emerged from his first post election intelligence briefing? Don't slight the guy if he has to deviate from his election platform in the long run. We don't want to treat this president like we did the last one?
The WB promotion is a joke as well. It only insults stereophiles though.
No, they care about convenience and trendiness...quality is not on the agenda.
"What war are you referring to where our POWs were treated under the guidance of the Geneva Convention? Germany?"
Well- yes and no for Germany- I've read quite a few first hand accounts of POWs who were more or less treated reasonably well in Germany. No- not ALL obviously. And with wide spread food shortages all over Europe including for the German soldiers themselves, the fact they were not given enough to eat is more understandable. On our side, we had the benefit of an abundance of food and resources do it was easier to treat out own POWs better. Most were shipped back to the States to work on farms etc. There's a racial/cultural aspect to it all though- A good deal of the farm belt was from German and European decent. Still- for a long time the US was looked upon as a model of military behavior in conflict--- it's been going down hill for a while, but if official policy doesn't even TRY and enforce the high road, what do you have left?
Anyway- I agree that having "rules" in war is a bit of an odd concept, but what happens when there are none at all is a lot worse. The Russian army pretty much took NO prisoners- they all just got shot as the rolling mass of armed peasants burned and raped their way through Eastern Europe. The Japanese, the N. Koreans and N. Vietnamese-not much better.
Yes, I thought about Germany as well but they sort of ruined the whole thing, for example, by executing 50 allied servicemen for trying to escape by the order of Hitler himself. That is today's equivalent to American servicemen making cut-throat terrorists wearing panties on their heads and forced to stand like that naked for extended periods of time. The best deterrent to war crimes in war is to set an example. I didn't blame insurgents for ambushing and killing servicemen from the same unit where certain soldiers, one in particular, murdered and entire family, including rape. That sort of put a stop to that shit in that region. And just so we do the right thing we convicted those members of our military that were involved in that instance. The Geneva Convention played no roll in any of this. The soldiers were punished under our own UCMJ and the enemy set an example of what to expect when something like this happens. Justice was served. Poor bastards were killed because someone decided to play god as well as the devil and the enemy got some pay back. That is justice in time of war.