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Tube setup for Heavy Music

 

 

I want to build a tube setup for Heavy Music. The budget for the amplifier 2500. Speakers I think Legacy Classic HD. Help me choose a class A amplifier which will be good for Heavy.

Thanks for your help.

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A good, loud, class A output,

A good, loud, class A output, tubed amp will be very heavy, indeed!  It will probably cost well more than $2500 and weigh a small ton.  You could, possibly, bi-amp using a small, tubed, class A amp for the stereo mids & treble and a solid state amp for the woofers, or a monoblock for a sub woofer.

How "heavy" is the question.  There are affordable, class AB, tube amps which use two 6550's or KT88's per side.  Attention must be given to the right speakers, and their placement, too.

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Tube amp for Heavy Metal & Hard Rock

To pentode:

Which amps for bi-amp and which pre-amp do You recommend? 

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I'd be a little concerned about Legacy

I haven't seen any test results on the Legacy speaker, but their site says they are 4 ohm. While that in itself doesn't  preclude them from being a good choice with tube amplification, I would want to see how that rating is achieved and what it looks like through the entire frequency band. I would at least make a call to their office to find out  that information. On the plus side, their site also says they are very sensitive at 94db. That's a big plus with tube gear and suggests they can go loud quite easily.

I would look seriously at the Cronus Magnum integrated from Rogue.

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Legacy Classic is not

Legacy Classic is not required. I wrote the Legacy Classic, because they have high sensitivity. I'm curious to know your suggestions for speakers + amplifier that play well Heavy Metal

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Tom, although I've been

Tom, although I've been "into" stereo gear for decades, I don't feel qualified to recommend specific components.  Bi-amping and even adding subs can be tricky to get right.  With so much equipment available it's difficult to keep up with the hobby.  Read some back issues of Stereophile and check the Recommended Components, for the past couple years, and compare specifications.

Others may have some gear they can recommend, without hesitation, for your needs.  Also, as good solid state and tubed amps get closer in sound and quality, you may want to consider solid state for its watts/dollar value until you can afford a big tube amp.  Good luck in your search for good sound.

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Yes, recently got a lot of

Yes, recently got a lot of good equipment, but all thereviews and tests carried out with Heavy Metal is not.And so I'm quite hard to find for himself and his musicgood equipment. We have only one way to find your sound is to ask on the forum.

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Class A amplifier

Do you mean a class "A" as reviewed in Recommended Components or do you mean not a push-pull amplifier? Or, do you mean a serious amplifier that is highly regarded?

 

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Yes, I  mean a Push Pull

Yes, I  mean a Push-Pull class "A". I Think it`s will good for me.

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We probably have a little language barrier here

But, that's OK. I'm still a little fuzzy about what you are wanting from an amp. If you mean a really good tube amp to partner with your speakers that's one thing. If you mean a Class A amplifier as in circuit design, then you are talking some serious money and heat generation if by "heavy music" you mean really loud rock and roll party town.

 

Maybe we can back up just a little. You want tube gear...gotcha. Now, how big is your room and how loud do you want to play music? Do you live in a detached home or an apartment type  of place?

 

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I´m lookin for tube amp not

I´m lookin for tube amp not for speakers, I`m lookin amp and speakers. And I think class A will better for me. Class A not expencive allways, example Raysonic SP10, PrimaLuna Dia Logue II, Ayon Orion, Pure Sound A30.

I live in an apartment and have room 20 square m. In soon I going to get more room-30  square m.

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Pure Sound A30. What do You think about this Amp?

Pure Sound A30. What do You think about this Amp?

Rogue Audio Cronus Magnum it`s good. But I live in Austria and we  don`t have dealers Rogue Audio.

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I haven't heard the Pure Sound stuff

But, from the list you mentioned, PrimaLuna would have to be at the top...and I would add Cayin to the list. I KNOW the PrimaLuna Dialogue can drive difficult speakers and it's probably the most versatile integrated for future configurations. There was a lot of thought that went into that integrated.

Since you aren't sure what speakers you will be using, the Dialogue makes a lot of sense as you will not be severely limiting your choices. The auto-bias will also let you experiment with various tubes and that means tayloring the sound to your liking.

If you are  having to choose an amp without listening to it, that's the one to get.

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Raysonic super gear!

I recently purchased a Raysonic SP200 integrated amp and WOW, just glorious. A perfect match with my Tannoy speakers. The amp is built and I mean built, great quality and the soundstage, well it is the best I have owned. It replaced my Mcintosh tube amp which stopped working. It was a leap f faith, but I am sure glad I did it.

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AMPLIFIERS

First of all, noone makes a Class A amplifier that has enough power to drive large speakers to high volumes. That is not going to happen!!! Very few Class A amplifiers put out more than 50 watts. You need at least 200 watts.

Second, the kind of amplifier you want needs to have extended bass and and a low-impedance output that can give you rock-solid bass at very low frequencies. No tube amplifier does that unless you want to spend over $10,000.

The amplifier you want is a 200-300 watt solid-state amplifier.

I recommend either a Bryston 4B-SST or a Vincent SP-331 amplifier, which will do what you want.

There is one exception to all of the above. You could get Klipschhorn corner horn speakers, which have a sensitivity of 105 db per watt! If you get those, you could drive them to massive sound levels with a 80-watt tube amplifier (but it will be a Class AB amplifier; not Class A).

 

 

 

 

 

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I want to build a tube setup for Heavy Music. The budget for the amplifier 2500. Speakers I think Legacy Classic HD. Help me choose a class A amplifier which will be good for Heavy.

Thanks for your help.

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Class A

Boulder and Pass Laboratories among other manufacturers build and sell Class A amplifiers. Of course they may be beyond your budget.

They have plenty of power. Enough to drive any speaker known to man.

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A little short..

on info.  Heavy music, light music whatever.  All music is "heavy" when reproduced well.  Almost all music has real body, rythm, flow, timbre, etc. when well reproduced.  In any given several hour session many listening sessions will go from Prodigy to James Taylor to Brahms to AC/DC.  Even electronic music has it.  Either your system does it or it doesn't.

You can get a great experience with a tube pre-amp and a solid state amp.  You can go all tube.  You can go solid state pre with a tube amp.  Lots of stuff works well.  From my personal experience if you are going to spend that much money on an amp, get 2 Golden Tube Audio SE-40's with working transformers and send the boards to Sonic Craft.  I drive my B&W's with one in stereo and it's really great.  Two in mono would probably work great.

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