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You're right. Many of these companies will come and go and some of the little garage product companies especially. However, you may stand to get a better deal from an amp that was built in someone's garage than you would from a well established company. The cost of that "better deal" would be in loss of support. You ponder and weigh the pros and cons and you decide on which product to get based on what's important to you.

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Robert Harley hasn't lost any credibility.

Dup is doing his usual stuff, is all. He just doesn't stop talking out of his ass.

Nothing wrong with that, Dup..it just gets a bit tiring for some of us.

If you want to really go after someone, go after financial shell companies in cahoots with branches of government through family members and friends/associates. There's some real crime to chase after. Not some honest guy who's doing his best to bring his love of music to more people.

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Robert Harley hasn't lost any credibility.

If you want to really go after someone, go after financial shell companies in cahoots with branches of government through family members and friends/associates.

That may be so, but it's outside the scope of these forums.

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Hey, where's Jan?

He's late.

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Robert Harley hasn't lost any credibility.

If you want to really go after someone, go after financial shell companies in cahoots with branches of government through family members and friends/associates.

That may be so, but it's outside the scope of these forums.


Exactly

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I have no problem with companies starting small- some make it, others don't . Some get too big and then tank. VTL, which by all accounts is a pretty good size now, started out as a Dad and son company working out of their basement in a not so great section of Providence, RI. Anyone heard of that lil' company called Apple Computers? Oh yeah, and that other one: Microsoft. Both started in garages or small shops.

But I AM curious as to why Stereophile would put a reprint of the RH's article on the front page of the website when the company being reviewed isn't around anymore. I'd rather read about something that is a little more relevant myself.

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But I AM curious as to why Stereophile would put a reprint of the RH's article on the front page of the website when the company being reviewed isn't around anymore. I'd rather read about something that is a little more relevant myself.

We're slowly archiving everything we've published over the years. It's something that John does in his spare time. I'm not sure how he decides which pieces to archive. Many of these older pieces are in some way important to what we're doing now. Our writers often reference older pieces in current reviews, and when those older reviews are archived online, readers can go back and see what we're talking about, creating a wonderful energy between the print magazine and the website. I also simply love the fact that these older pieces gain another life on the web. For personal reasons, I enjoy reading the thoughts of writers I didn't have the opportunity to work with. I'm still able to learn from the reviews, even if the product they're reviewing no longer exists.

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Besides, those items are readily available on the used market.

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Find my suggestion for the music reviewer way back when it was a pamphlet sized publication...Forget the name of the guy, but they reviewed Aphrodites Child 666 LP, after I sugested they give it a listen....checkout what they thought....I know how to pick em.....It was in the 70's I have read StereoPhile since the days they reviewed Dynaco ST-70 and Dyna stuff, When Audio Reserach new model was an SP3 !!! The revier thought it was the best thing he ever heard, really

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What am I Inspector Gadget or sumptin'..this is audio related, why would I mention financial crooks and scammers. Oh, wait a minute.....could some be running a cable company or magic connector factory? Or a magic quarry with special stones, to enhance the room sonics...KBK, I think you stumbled onto something, and you didn't know how right you are.....I expect my pronosticators in print to be right on, when they tell me a cable maker or fancy pre amp is gonna be here for a long time to be correct in his crystal ball sightings.....ain't they always right when they tell us how something sounds is the BEST etc? Palpable, airy, etc. Next time you are told it's "palpable", be cautious, be doubtful. you mean, even THAT could be faulty....hmmmmm. Now I have to be on guard, whom do I beleive? Measurements matter, it either is or it isn't.

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The issue is not the fact they start out small, all companies do. GE started out in a place in East Orange N.J. when Edison was working on stuff. Philips started in an old tanning mill in Eindhoven...the issue is how Robert Hartley "proclaimed", as if he knew something profound, that THIS company was gonna be around for a long long time....why would a writer make such declaration? Did he have some inner deal with these guys, and was promoting this new company? For his own gains? Poof, so much for the credibiltiy, that's what I meant. A reviere is a mere writer of stuff he doesn't necessarily know anything about. RH proclamation that it's gonna be around a long time, is another subjective outlook, with zero facts, like those reviews of palpabilty, and air in a sound of a pre amp, it's BS, measurements, something that can be documented, proven. Why would an audio word smith make some kind of business proclamation, unless he has something on the line? It does give an issue on credibilty, when claims are made, based on what? Like a finacial adviser who knows nothing more than you do, and guessing. If the fiancial adviser is so smart, why does he have to show up at work every day? What was the purpose of RH making teh statement about the future of this particular company? Hmmm, just curious.

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"...the issue is how Robert Hartley "proclaimed", as if he knew something profound, that THIS company was gonna be around for a long long time....why would a writer make such declaration? "

Point taken- It does seem weird to make such a statement and here's my theory. He liked the equipment and company so much he got emotionally involved in trying to persuade others to buy from them. It's the Urban Myth syndrome- it's not just that you heard ABOUT the story, you actually heard it FROM the guy who it actually happened to! So he says- "Hey, good company, love the product, go try them out and "trust me" they'll be around for a long time to support your extremely expensive purchase."

When writers start assuming that what they think translates into printed truth they have been drinking too much of their own Kool-Aid.

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Yeah, the proclamations can be quite 'off' at times. Happens to all of us, at one time or another. Time magazine for example, 1938 Man of the year: Adolf Hitler. Time magazine, Man of the Year,1979: Ayatollah Khomeini. Alfred Nobel, example: known for the Noble prize. But in reality he created a horrific weapon, hoping it's insanity would end all wars: Dynamite. He made a fortune from it. Lost of his own people died in it's fabrication. Like fireworks factories, explosive factories (component factories on the same grounds) need be spaced far apart, so one does not blow up and take out the next. His 'guilt trip fix', was the creation of the Nobel Prize system.

Robert made a statement, it turned out to not be true. The Expressive unit is a nice transformer. Harley probably hoped it would be available for a long time. Who knows really. Since he's not dead yet..we can go ask him. Put the microphone in front of him, etc.

Reminds me of a situation, where at the end of the question, the person asking the question falls back to avoid the punch thrown at him...by the person he's questioning..and the camera is cut. Remember this was live television, going out to about 300 million people.

IIRC, the conversation was instigated by Jackie Stewart, and he asked Ayrton Senna immediately after Ayrton crashed in a formula 1 race, "Tell us, Ayrton.. if you are the world's best Driver..why do you crash so often?"

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A little clarification: Time's man of the year is not a declaration of the "best" person of the year. Rather, it is the man, woman, or idea that "for better or worse, has most influenced events in the preceding year."

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That's EXACTLY correct ELK, this you are commended, I was gonna post just that ya beat me to it!!!

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A machine gets it once in a while also don't it. KBK is not understanding many things, Times issue is just one.

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