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The SOTU??

I missed the thing tonight as I was attending my towns monthly Audiophile club meeting (great music on a very nice system, some nice wine, good food and conversation)...I came home expecting to hear what a magic moment the speech was. I went to the usual sites and read Ryan was great. I could not find anything on the Tea Party counter and I found a lot of nothing on Obama...I figured his media would carry his water again but, so far, not a lot.

So, I am watching the rerun as I type...Good God he is boring, and long winded. It seems to be a call for fixing the deficit by new spending...He actually made a comment on Sputnik sort of forgetting to note he gutted the space program!

I think this was pretty bad...I am sure the lefts media will love it but I am certain his budget is DOA.

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SOTU

You might have missed the poignant part.

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Why bother?

I mean, we all knew what he would say, and we all knew he would not mean a word of it. This is the third year in a row where he has had a laser focus on the economy. Maybe he should just take more vacations and leave the economy alone.

Trey

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I watched it on mute so I

I watched it on mute so I could judge what people wore without bias.

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There is a difference between

There is a difference between "poignant" and simply sad.

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I haven't watched one of these since Reagan

You couldn't pay me to suffer one of these things. And, I'm talking both sides of the aisle. I did enjoy listening to Reagan give a speech, but the last 25 years or so, nothing.

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Ryan managed a coherent

Ryan managed a coherent speech that lasted 10 minutes...no time for a nap.

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Rex Ryan?

Rex Ryan?

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same speech, different year

If you compare the '08 State of the Union speech to this one, it is much of the same platitudes and vacuous campaign rhetoric that won the election for him two years ago.

When a politician uses the catch phrase 'investing in our future'... Beware, because it always means more government deficit spending, impotent programs, "blue ribbon" commissions, czar appointments, summits, etc;

The Congressional Budget Office (C.B.O.) predicts the deficit will hit 1.5 trillion this year. Can we afford more of the governments so-called "investing in our future"? I think not.

This speech was simply about Obama's 2012 re-election. period.

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More Carping from the Right

Of course it's all about 2012. Do you think the Republicans are going to help us solve these problems? Hell, no. It doesn't pay to problem solve when winning an election is their main focus, too. Power is more important than responsibility. If you think the Republicans are different, you are fooling yourself.

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rvance wrote:

Of course it's all about 2012. Do you think the Republicans are going to help us solve these problems? Hell, no. It doesn't pay to problem solve when winning an election is their main focus, too. Power is more important than responsibility. If you think the Republicans are different, you are fooling yourself.

If the Republicans didn't understand the mandate they recieved from thier constituents and the Tea Party, and abuse their victories they recieved back in November, then yes... they will be no different than they were under G.W. Bush and will be held accountable at the polls. There are still alot of Rockefeller (RINO) Republicans that have one foot out the door thanks to the Tea Party.

Alot has changed since Bush left office, primarily with the taking over of 1/6th of the economy known as Obamacare, Student loan takeover, Automobile industry takeover, takeover of Banks and certain lending institutions, also Cap and Trade looming on the horizon along with amnesty for illegals.

The Republicans have their hands full in just simply reversing the job killing legislation the Obama administration has put forth in just two years, and they are still facing future Cap and Trade legislation, Amnesty for illegals, etc;

Rand Paul has a great idea about cutting the fed budget by 500 billion. I have no doubt that he will encounter alot of Republican opposition as well as Democrat opposition. Also Rand Paul wants to legalize marijuana like I do. You KNOW the Repubs will reject that along with the Dems as well.

It's time for tough choices if we want to keep our AAA bond rating and keep our dollar solvent throughout the world. The Fed has already been warned by China for de-valuing the dollar and they have already stated that if spending continues then they will be forced to reject anymore U.S. debt.

With Democrat majority leader Harry Reid stating that he will NOT allow the health care repeal bill that passed in the House to be heard in the Senate (so much for our representative republic eh?) I don't see ANY easy road for the Republicans in the House of Representatives with ideologs like Reid, Pelosi, Durbin, Schumer, Wasserman-Schultz.

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RV is of course right

about many Republicans being part of the problem as well. Any big government type is the problem, whether they want to bail out businesses or unions, they are the problem.

But the tea party is a hostile take over of that party. And we have already cast aside big government types with an R after their name. My senators are both Rs and I will not vote for either as they supported cap and trade and other big government boondoggles.

R or D matters little, it is about the proper role of government and personal freedom. So it will be the tea party movement that saves the country by transforming the Republicans or pushing them to the dustbin of history.

I think something similar will happen in the Democratic party as they separate into Progressives (socialists) and liberals who are big government types but not socialists.

Trey

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Great points
Drtrey3 wrote:

about many Republicans being part of the problem as well. Any big government type is the problem, whether they want to bail out businesses or unions, they are the problem.

But the tea party is a hostile take over of that party. And we have already cast aside big government types with an R after their name. My senators are both Rs and I will not vote for either as they supported cap and trade and other big government boondoggles.

R or D matters little, it is about the proper role of government and personal freedom. So it will be the tea party movement that saves the country by transforming the Republicans or pushing them to the dustbin of history.

I think something similar will happen in the Democratic party as they separate into Progressives (socialists) and liberals who are big government types but not socialists.

Trey

Great points, and I agree with them all.

I think the Republicans were well on the road to destroying thier own party prior to the Tea Party movement. They were abandoning their conservative principles and proping up RINO's like John McCain, Mike Castle, Blanche Lincoln, Lindsey Graham, Lisa Murkowski, etc; all in the name of "Bipartisianship"

Problem was, the democrats had already set the ground rules for bipartisianship and the RINO's went along with it. Which meant, Republicans compromised on liberal legislation BUT the democrats compromised on nothing and the spending went through the roof. This was the downfall of the Republicans during the Bush years. That was the problem. Republicans lost their spine. And subsequently that is what spawned the Tea Party.

The Tea Party forced the Republicans to re-evaluate the reason why they even went to Washington in the first place. This was a good thing, and eventually led to the landslide victories in November.

During the Bush years it was easy to see both parties morphing into one party thanks to so-called "Bi-partisianship." This is exactly what people mean when they say, "Both parties are the same." I was one of them, that is why I moved to the Libertarian Party in 2002.

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The Tea Party has had the desirable influence

With the people that matter...the GOP. I agree with the notion that they probably saved the GOP from becoming a useless political force.

There's no reason to care what the lefties think about the Tea Party or their orchestrated attempts to define them for their audiences. The left isn't the targeted audience for the Tea Party ideas in the first place.

If the Tea Party continues to focus on cleaning up the GOP, they'll be an unstoppable political force within just a few short years. These guys fear winning renomination more than they fear the opposing party candidates because their districts have predictable voting patterns when it comes down to the General Elections.

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Retreads will not hack it
Drtrey3 wrote:

But the tea party is a hostile take over of that party.

Not exactly..the party base has been pretty remote from the party elites and self described leaders for a decade. They foisted McCain on us in the last election despite the, lets be generous, tepid level of support, for the fellow amongst anyone outside of the DC beltway. As a result of these country club elites, over 100 national RINOs and moderates were beaten, replaced in primaries or retired since 2006.

When the wine and quiche elites spend a few score days walking door to do, standing in the rain at rallies, and, in general, do more than write checks at cocktail parties, then they would have some legitimacy. Today the Tea Party speaks for most republicans, not those old elites and...That is not a hostile takeover but a purge of unresponsive party elders.

I will be amazed if any of our old retreads actually become the candidate a year from now. I suspect the pundits will be surprised. I am sure no RINO will make the cut.

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Purge works for me

I see your point and cannot disagree with it. I do think it is a hostile purge from the big government elites perspective though!

Trey

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Our government's elites are

Our government's elites are so out of touch their perspective is of little value.

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So, then...

You're all enthusiastic about the party that has created the largest deficits in the last 50 years?

You know, The Republican --- Borrow and Spend, for tomorrow the world ends.

You know, The Democrats --- Tax and Spend --- for the rich deserve to be taxed more.

Barry Goldwater, we miss you.

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GET THE FUNK OUT MA FACE!

GET THE FUNK OUT MA FACE!

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