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So What Happened To The Acoustics Forum?
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Wow, a whole forum zapped.
Where is KBK when we need him ?
Oh well, let's just keep asking for the acoustic art test on this thread
I see your lack of knowledge is not limited to only audio.
You and Elk both seem to labor under the delusion that should you repeat the same ol' BS over and over and over while ignoring any and all comments not in keeping with your own willful ignorance of the subject you are somehow engaging in a "discussion".
How did I get dragged into this? I haven't even looked at that forum since I last posted.
I posted an open letter to Ethan Winer (DavidL) where I called him out for attacking my Acoustic ART System and to misrepresenting the saga that he created around this product here and on other forums. My letter included a link to evidence of Ethan
You might spend more time thinking about the individuals and the causes you choose to associate with, most especially so if D'boy is a sock puppet. As I said earlier, you weren't even around when Ted began his thread or when it ended. You had nothing to do with the ART system thread until you made a point to involve yourself with the now defunct ART demand thread.
Why did you have to get involved in the ongoing campaign against the product and against Ted's integrity? What was it to you? Were you just there to "stir the shit pot" as someone likes to say?
Birds of a feather ... you know! You are judged by the company you keep, Elk.
No, he didn't threaten a lawsuit. He did try to go over my head to get his forum posting privileges reinstated, and when that didn't work, canceled all of Real Traps advertising in Stereophile. He then filed a complaint about being harassed on this and other forums by posters like "Michigan J. Frog," with the New Milford, CT police department.
He is now trying to get me to delete the posting in which his being banned was announced: http://forum.stereophile.com/forum/showflat.php?Cat=0&Number=82939&Main=82939#Post82939 . I have no intention of deleting this posting.
John Atkinson
Editor, Stereophile
Wow, I take a weekend off and look what happens.
Is David L really Ethan?
Can't webmaster types see ISP addresses and know if the posts are from the same person or area?
Also, all this argument seems like it would be good for all three companies...
Ethan gets pub and objectivists go buy his stuff.
Ted gets pub and all the subjectivists go buy his stuff.
Stereophile gets hits and maintains ad values.
Hell, I say give Ethan and Ted their own forum and watch the hit counters spin!
Ethan, if you are David L, you are a naughty naughty boy and Ted should get three free hits.
Ethan is a nut. What does he sell again?
I warned you guys about cross-forum bashing.
Somebody please close this thread because all that is going to happen is people like Jan are going to just stir the shit some more.
Did someone say an entire forum disappeared?
Here?
That kind of thing only happens in North Korea.
Yeah, I know and given the freedom of this board I'm going to assume it was removed because of all the crap being brought from outside forums and vice versa. It is not allowed on almost any message board and for good reason. Here is an example of cross-forum bashing...
http://forum.stereophile.com/forum/showthreaded.php?Cat=0&Number=88817&page=0&vc=1
Counting the email itself there are 6 examples of cross-forum bashing. Some of you guys aren't as smart as you think when it comes to the Internet. All this bashing outside the confines of the stereophile URL is total bullshit.
Ted, take your shit some place else.
Ethan, go fuck yourself.
You know, Lamont, before Rand Paul has you banned from the internets based on the race associated with your name, I'd like to take the opportunity to say I like the cut of your jib.
I've done some further research about this sock puppet thing:
Ethan Winer: "
"
David L: "
"
On other forums...
Johnny R: "
"
Fiji: "
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Fiji5555: "
"
Tiny: "
"
Case closed?
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It gets even more damning...
Ethan: Calls himself "Ethan."
Fiji, Johnny R, David L, Fiji5555, and Tiny have all said the word, "Ethan," as well.
I think we have enough to convict.
Ted did good detective work, there are some strong overlaps, but Ethan never seemed to like the F-word as much as his so-called sock puppets. Johnny R seems like Ethan would have to huff glue in order to post like that...but maybe he's just that dedicated a shit pot stirrer.
Time for an old fashioned show down, I'd say.
Traps vs. Bowls, at high noon.
(Pssst, I posted a pic, so I must be Geoff.)
Yikles! (new word that I will someday slip up and use with my sock puppet name.) I said, "
," so I must be Ethan!
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You know why I don't have a sock puppet?
He quit because I made him do push ups until he barfed.
Wow ! everyone loves a mystery.
personally I think Ethan put the alien artifacts on the moon that Ted D claims to use in his "acoustic" system.
It is SO obvious this is an alien plot.
Anyone that can't see Lamont is an alien needs to have his head screwed back on.
I happen to like aliens, so I like the cut of Lamont's jib too.
But..............what DID happen to Ted D's infamous "test".
Come on Ted, put up or shut up.
Signed, Tom (not a sock puppet of anyone).................except hot Romanian chicks.
I'm not associated with anyone. I merely posted in the same thread.
As did you.
Does that mean I am now associated with you?
You know, that's illegal in 47 states.
The governor of AZ is now using puppet shows so everybody understands what she is trying to do. About sock-puppets. You know.
Are you saying I stir you, LS?
Forget it, I want nothing to do with you. When did you say you were leaving?
No, but that does mean you are the first three letters of that word.
What if the Acoustic Art bowls are sock puppets for Real Traps ?
After all, we all know Oswald and Ruby were cousins.
I think you're missing a golden opportunity for some matchmaking, Lamont.
John,
what did happen to the acoustics forum ?
Since threads can be removed w/o deleting an entire forum I am assuming the acoustic art thread has nothing to do with it ?
.....
Too late. You have shown your interest in me. You can't take that back. I'm flattered.
I don't know about "glue" but does heroin qualify in your world Budha?
Ethan Winer of RealTraps LLC experiments with Herion
Again if you don't like me showing you for who and what you are Ethan Winer owner of RealTraps LLC., sue me. BTW I have lots of quotes directly traceable to YOU that you do not want me to share with the denizens of Stereophile's forums so PLEASE make my day Ethan.
Go ahead sue me, I dare you.
Yours in music,
Ted Denney III
Lead Designer, Owner Synergistic Research Inc.
Ted,
when are you going to do the tests you promised to do ?
I don't think many of us really care about your battle with Ethan.
Just show us some objective, measurable proof your bowls work.
Or are you just bowling smoke ?
Tom frankly I don't care what you want, or when you want it. My Acoustic ART System Acoustic Treatments have already received more reviews then I can count from both magazine and online publications in English (that I am aware of) as well as from magazines in Europe and Asia by reviewers and publications I have never before heard of. All speak in one voice that I will not repeat here (for fear of being viewed as self serving). As to when Stereophile will conduct and publish their promised review you'll have to ask JA as I cannot speak for his magazine.
Yours in music,
Ted Denney III
Lead Designer and Owner, Synergistic Research Inc.
Okay, I went to that site, looking for evidence of your claim (that Ethan had threatened them with legal action). Obviously, you wouldn't have posted that link if it didn't support your claim, right? Funny thing though, there wasn't anything there that even remotely suggested that what you're saying is true. The only things I saw that were related to this controversy in any way were these statements:
So, it looks to me like this 'bowls' manufacturer (whoever that might be) was the one threatening legal action, and ended up getting their way with respect to comments on the site. So, who am I to believe exactly - you or my own eyes?
Yours in music,
andy_c XIVIIIXV
If you are to believe John Atkinson and Ted Denney.
Pffffft.
Well, I HAVE read Ethan's posts, so pffft yourself!
Me too! And I've read the "I can hear the LP demagnetizer from another room. There's more bass!" posts as well.
After reading that kind of stuff, I find it impossible to take that person seriously. I'd like to write it off to incompetence, but that doesn't fit well.
Hmm who is most likely to be accurate,balanced, and keeping the emotional shit out of this.....
Only one name - JA.
As Lamont would say - "You cannot make this shit up", and I must say I am shaking my head in disbelief.
Of course its entertaining for a Monday morning, but oh man the behaviour of some who are in business is at best idiotic.
Maybe we should create the Floyd Landis trophy for the best of the worst.
Ted, and sorry to say but to be sure that those are sockpuppets have you asked if Stereophile can look into the IP addresses, or even use a professional expert who is a linguistic psychologist (or whatever they are called who can compare writings).
Without this any argument is circumstantial, and as you are both businesses prudence is best when accusations are involved.
And Ethan, what a shame that he does not realise how Stereophile has helped his business by raising positive awareness of his company in various articles.
Still 10/10 for his enthusiasm on striking back with some err crazy plans, but 0/10 for his attitude and professionalism.
Now I would love to know how the police conversations went as it seems they may also been in contact with Stereophile
Regarding the forum, will be interesting to know if it was hacked/forced to remove information legally/technical issues.
Can the Monday get any better
Cheers
Orb
But Ted, didn't you offer to post measurements and subsequently do so ?
Didn't someone point out a flaw in the measurements and didn't you then offer to redo the measurements ?
If you have changed your mind just say so. There is no need feign offense.
As to all the "reviews" that is simply saying a lot of reviewers might be subject to the placebo effect. Unless they did some blind tests.
I am a subjectivist leaning person but if I think I hear a significant difference sighted I usually can hear it blind as well.
Anyway, it appears you have backed off from your pledge to redo your test.
Why not just man up and admit that ?
It's a good thing you didn't say "stir the shit pot" or we would have to conclude you are Ethan.
To repeat a question others have asked, has anyone yet worked out why the Acoustics forum was removed?
Entertaining though it may be, I would suggest that this is probably an inappropriate forum for a Ted vs. Ethan slagging match because only Ted can post. But if it starts up elsewhere a pointer would be appreciated.
> As to all the "reviews" that is simply saying a lot of reviewers might be subject to the placebo effect.
If it were placebo, surely it is reasonable to expect that some of the reviewers would have either not reacted or even reacted negatively to the presence of the bowls? Although I have only read one of the reviews, I presume they are all positive with some being completely over the top?
It would be interesting if devices like these do gain traction in the audiophile mainstream like cables. A while back, Ted posted some turnover figures that were larger than I would have expected which perhaps suggests it might happen? (Has the post gone?)
I would like to have seen which way the proposed Stereophile review/investigation would have leaned but I guess disappearing Acoustics forums and legal stuff-and-nonsense (if that is what is happening) is going to make this less likely at least in the short term.
Just WOW!!!! So Ted Denney thinks I'm Ethan Winer? Nice way to change the subject from your silly little bowls to claiming Mr.Winer is me is you, no wait is me etc. Just who made those websites then Mr. Denney that shows that I am Ethan? Not you of course, I mean what would you have to gain?
Perhaps you and Michigan J Frog calabirated it as a joint effort? 
You haven't posted on here since the REW fiasco but you find the time to come back and throw accusations left and right. I'd be very careful whom you accuse, you just might find that there's more than one "Ethan" ready to sue. 
I disabled the Room Acoustics forum a little after 5pm on the evening of Friday, the 21st. This decision was triggered when a post by Ted Denney of Synergistic Research made claims that Ethan Winer of RealTraps had been posting to our forum as David L, and offered a link to a web page devoted to "exposing" Ethan Winer and providing evidence of this claim. Consequently, Ethan Winer sent me an understandably upset e-mail.
You may or may not be aware that Ethan Winer, Ted Denney, and others have been engaged in debates. These debates have been taking place on several web sites, including ours, unfortunately. I understand these men have some differences which they'd like to discuss, but I really do wish they'd stop using our web site as a venue.
I know what you're thinking: This is stupid. Yes, I think so, too.
I wanted to get the issue at least somewhat resolved in the fairest manner possible, and I wanted to discuss it with John Atkinson before taking any action. Two things got in the way: 1. I was really feeling quite confused by it all, and 2. JA was out of town, giving seminars at Listen Up's Music Matters events. So, I disabled the Room Acoustics forum, allowing me time to think about it over the weekend. I'll talk it over with JA today.
I'm sorry I didn't make a post announcing my decision to disable the Room Acoustics forum. I should have. I didn't mean to keep it secret or anything; at the time, it simply didn't occur to me to make an announcement. I admit: I was aggravated and ready to go home. And I didn't check in on the forum over the weekend because I was busy with other things.
I've talked it over with John, and the Room Acoustics forum has been restored.
Ted, I wish you would have come to me first, privately, with these claims, rather than posting them for the world to see, in a venue which does not allow Ethan Winer to defend himself. Your decision to post here was not fair, and violates our simple rule:
Therefore, I ask that you please do not post in this manner again. If you do, you will be banned from our forum.
Is there anything more inept, more puerile, more embarrassing...than an audio manufacturer catfight...er, smackdown?
Man, the pocket protectors are really flying!
Stephen, duck! (Lest you be blinded by a mechanical pencil)
Very reasonable and a good decision under the circumstances.
I, for one, was wholly unaware of the ongoing battles raging elsewhere. Now I at least understand the accusations of subterfuge.
Sadly, many of the forum's "discussions" have devolved into personal attacks rather than productive exchanges.
Thanks for the explanation!
Precisely
you are all a bunch of goddamn pussies
It's the old Republican "define your opponent" game. He wishes to keep you occupied defending yourself so you can't keep asking about the evidence for his bowls working.
I'm looking for that evidence myself and I haven't seen it either.
The audacity of your words astounds! I demand an immediate and grovelling apology from you. Then I insist you cease and desist your stalking activity. You should be fully informed there is no defense for D'Ethan's behavior.
Well, if he puts out another soft-core porn video to sell traps and stuff... I'm on-board!
Just turn down the audio all the way, and close your eyes when you see Ethan tied up... Uggh. What a train wreck on that video...
Sex and Audio have no place together... period. (And yes I utterly love both.. porn rules... Ethan does not.)
No room for...
Je t'aime... moi non plus?
I think high quality sex and high quality audio should go together more for people!
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