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Hi Jgossman
It's really all about the mechanics, and how sensitive the audio signal is. If audiophiles could get their mind around how much control they have over the sound again, this hobby would turn on a dime.
Had a friend of mine from Florida call me today after seeing some of the threads here and was astonished at how far the high end audio world has fallen behind the tuning curve. He was like "what did they do forget". It's like starting from scratch I told him.
I look at it this way, even if it is starting from scratch again as you guys one by one start to play with the signal pathway the hobby will be born again.
As my friend and I talked trying to figure out what did happen to this part of the hobby he said "just a matter of time if people start to do again". I agree and think it's really a matter of people doing and then posting of their doing.
Now imagine being able to make as big of a change you just did on every recording you have. I hope you give reports as you start to listen to this more. Especially if you run into a recording that doesn't sound so hot with the way it currently is. Then you make a slight change and baam, the music is there.
Did you use the white solid packing foam? Not the soft stuff right? BTW styrofoam cups turned up side down make great transfer devices.
michael green
MGA/RoomTune
http://tuneland.techno-zone.net/
Right I did use the solid packing foam (you know me, light and stiff :) ).
And right again. Between power delivery and filtering (which I am a proponent of), cables, and details like shelving material and room layout. You really can find a sweet-spot where MOST recordings in your collection will sing. And with the exception of my tweaked Rega I'm using the least expensive system I've had in a long time.
And that's my frustration with people selling psuedo-science as tweaking. Most of the time you're just doing nothing, and paying a good deal for it. Using a dedicated AC circuit. Ohms law is real. Using high quality well built fairly low capacitance cables. Again, Ohms law is real. A mix of light stiff materials with PREDICTABLE resonance rather than metal springs. Again, again and again. As They Might Be Giants once said. Science is real. And fun.
That's what this is supposed to be, fun.
Now back to that foam. I'm going to spend some time on Google trying to figure out just WHAT is happening. And I'm also wondering what would happen if I laid bituminous sheet over the wire rack to dampen the wire from ringing. Or spray it with Rhino liner.
So many ideas. Or maybe I should fix some of this old equipment and get it sold to clean out closets!
Jgooseman wrote,
"And that's my frustration with people selling psuedo-science as tweaking. Most of the time you're just doing nothing, and paying a good deal for it. Using a dedicated AC circuit. Ohms law is real. Using high quality well built fairly low capacitance cables. Again, Ohms law is real. A mix of light stiff materials with PREDICTABLE resonance rather than metal springs. Again, again and again. As They Might Be Giants once said. Science is real. And fun."
Spoken like a true pseudo skeptic. I can't help notice you did not respond to my comment that air springs are, uh, springs. I bet you thought the components were riding on air. LOL. I can't say I blame you. Sometimes it's better to remain silent and thought a fool than to speak and remove all doubt. As I said mechanical springs can be damped, you silly goose. It's a non issue. Case closed.
Cheers,
Geoff Kait
Machina Dynamica
And you mentioned Vibraplane as your example. And Vibraplane expressly doesn't use springs - either metal or plastic. They use air bladders with sophisticated pump leveling system in their commercial/scientific stuff and a less sophisticated version of same in their audio stuff.
And yes, I'm a born skeptic. I'm skeptical of plain bullshit. And I'm weary of jerks. So seriously, if you haven't anything to add, get a life.
Hi jgossman
If you would like to join in on TuneLand, we would love to have you. http://tuneland.techno-zone.net/f3-home-audio-systems Would be really cool if you and Costin, Bill Dan and some of the others came over and posted on the tuning forum and got feedback from some of the guys. You would find that we are pretty upbeat and accepting. We spend a lot of time on the "what happened part of things" and do a lot of real time listening.
Sonic (tuneland member) is using a rega as well. I would love to see the two worlds TuneLand and Stereophile mingle more. It's a whole lot of fun to visit each others threads, and there's none of the BS that goes on here.
Also did want to add. There's a pretty big movement back to simple. You may not find these people on forums that push the complicated stuff, but from the feedback I get, many are moving on from the heavy weight division to more managable mean and lean music makers and finding a lot more musicality, letting the room do the work. I find these systems irresistible personally and far more full body.
michael green
MGA/RoomTune
http://tuneland.techno-zone.net/
I'll consider the invite.
My pleasure, always fun to hang out with music lovers!
michael green
MGA/RoomTune
http://tuneland.techno-zone.net/