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Pro-ject RM-9 vs. Music Hall MMF-9: Opinions

I'm looking to upgrade my vinyl rig, while trying to keep the price under about $1500. I've found some pretty good deals on both of these 'tables and am interested to hear experiences/opinions on either of these models.

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Re: Pro-ject RM-9 vs. Music Hall MMF-9: Opinions

If you wind up considering the MMF-9, give a listen to the MMF-7. I think you'll find there's no discernable difference and you'll have some money left over for more records.

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What does your vinyl rig consist of now?

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Old Pioneer auto 'table with a newer Grado cartridge, feeding to the phono section of an Adcom GFP-565.

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If I were you, I'd go with the MMF-7 with the supplied cartridge, but instead of spending the difference on more records I'd add the MF phono stage (about $400) and go into the Adcom preamp at line level. My goal over the years has been best sound for the money, and in this case, I think that is the way to get it. Lots of Luck, whatever you decide to do. Anyone who wants to upgrade his analog rig is all right by me.

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I've been considering the Pro-ject Tube-Box for a phono stage so I could use an Adcom SLC-505 passive pre-amp. Any thoughts on how the Tube-Box compares to the MF?

Thanks again for the suggestions.

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I have the MF X-LPSv3 in my system with the companion outboard power supply and I'm very happy with it. I've never had a chance to hear or try the Pro-ject Tube box. The last round of Recommended Components listed the MF as Class B and the Tube box as Class C. My guess is while the performance of both could be bettered by adding money (about $1000), you wouldn't go too wrong with either one. I see it as a Tube vs. Solid State sort of preference, and if tubes appeal to you (and why not), you might want to look into the little Bellari Rolls VP 129. It can be had for about $250 and Michael Fremer (whose jaded tastes you're no doubt familiar with) thought it was great (Feb. '06 Stereophile)! Now, if you go that route and free up a few more budget dollars, I recommend the Pro-ject Speed Box to feed the motor of the MMF-7. That inexpensive little speed box made a discernable improvement in the sound of my MMF-7.

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Thanks again for the great info. I've read some about Bellari, but was a little concerned about its relatively low gain if I go with the passive pre-amp. I'm using a 300B SET amp and when I tried it with the passive pre-, I had to turn the volume knob up quite a bit when I wanted to do some serious listening with CD/SACD.

As always, more to consider. I'll look into the MF a bit more, too. I thank you again for your thoughful responses.

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Best of luck. Let us know what you come up with.

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I have not heard the Pro-ject RM-9 or Music Hall MMF-9, and because of this, have refrained from replying until now. Tonight, I read a post by Clay in another thread where he mentioned no one else was offering any guidance over here. So, in the interest of promoting a healthy community, I thought I'd toss in my 2 cents, even though I hadn't planned on it because I haven't heard the two decks you seemed set on.

I think Clay's suggestion makes great sense and offers very good value for the money. For a long time, I was considering an MMF-7 or Rega P9 for my analogue front end. I was also toying with getting a VPI Scout. I waited so long to pull the trigger, the MMF-9 came out, and the VPI Scoutmaster superceded the Scout. I ended up going with a Scoutmaster and am happy. Knowing myself, I wanted to leave room for moving up. If you think you might get bitten by the upgrade bug, a VPI Scout might be a good consideration; with this turntable you have an upgrade path to Scoutmaster and Super Scoutmaster should you eventually get more deeply into analogue. I'm very happy with my Scoutmaster.

That said, I don't think you'd go wrong with the MMF-7. When I read Clay's suggestion the other night, I honestly didn't think I'd have anything else to offer because his recommendation made so much sense.

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Re: Pro-ject RM-9 vs. Music Hall MMF-9: Opinions

I've heard both, for "many hours" (even in the same system,) and they are "six of one, half a dozen of the other."

Honestly, some discs sound better on one, and some better on the other.

I even heard both with the same cartridge.

You can't lose with either one.

If I had to give an edge, it would be theoretical:

I felt like the Pro-ject would handle a wider variey of cartridges.

Just a "feeling." Can't say exactly what made me feel that way.

If you have a dealer who is more supportive of one vs. the other, shop by the quality of the dealer and take that table.

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That being said...

Take Jeff's advice about choosing a table that's upgradable - for the same initial dollars.

Also, do yourself a favor and check the SOTA line.

They specialize in quiet and "black" backgrounds and good "pace."

I know that sounds nebulous, but it's the best vocabulary I got tonight.

Cheers.

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Re: Pro-ject RM-9 vs. Music Hall MMF-9: Opinions

Thanks again for the good advice.

As an update, I found a good deal on a demo MF X-LPSv3, so I've got that on the way. I've also been doing a bit of research on the various used equipment websites, and it looks like I could probably get a VPI HW19 Mk III or possibly Mk IV for around $1000. This would definitely offer an upgrade path, but how does it stack up against the newer 'tables already mentioned?

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My buddy, Big Mike, has been on that HW19 table upgrade path for some time now, and his table sounds killer.

Really a nice choice.

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Well, I did it. I made a deal on a VPI HW-19 Mk III with Audioquest PT-6 tonearm at a very fair price. The 'table looks to be in immaculate condition, and includes a Sumiko Premier phono interface box. I can't wait to get it set-up and spin some tunes. Now all I need to do is select a cartridge. Thinking about trying a Clearaudio Arum Beta, but I'm open to suggestions in the $300-$500 range. I listen to mostly jazz and classical, and some rock and roll from time to time.

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