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Pioneer has DSD out?
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Yup, Dup.
Kal
Yeah, it's a great unit DUP. Where ya been?
If I could figure out how to use that DSD signal into my Korg MR1000 or straight to some other harddrive/server, then I'd really be onto something. Unfortunately, HDMI is pretty rare on audiophile, two-channel rigs and interfaces.
Dave
Dat's where i was heading, getting DSD out, but on HDMI, can't use it yet....The Korg MR-1000 sounds grrrrrrreat, i did some live stuff when I play it back I am truly impressed with my self, it sounds incredibly REAL, mic placement matters, last session I did it all goood. Shimmer on them cymmbals, vocals, organ all sound GREAT!!! The AKG C3000B are really terrific mics....Each time I gets better and better...If I can output DSD but is it DSD file format for like teh TASCAM takes, writes in onto DVD+RW or DSD off of HDMI is changing it? When DSD was developed, HDMI wasn't in place was it? how am this gonna work? Software from who will work it all, AudidoGate Korg stuff?
You can get DCS Verdi. It outputs DSD via firewire.
Yupper, I have been looking at that stuff...o yeah. The difference between the DSD and standard Cd output off the same disc at the dealer demo, that Stew played was nite and day so obvious improvement in the fine detail of the effects between CD and then up sample to DSD....up sampling everything to DSD is like making all new CD's to listen to. Would be coool, if AVA can make a DAC that upsamples PCM into DSD and then out....for say....under $2K? dCS stuff is terrific, and all, I'm always working on doing it as well,or a close aproximation thereof, but do it wrongly with the cheapest methods,and make it sound right (hehehhee
) ya know....dCS was truly physicaly impressive stuff and sonically terrific. Very tempting...
You should get it. It will only set you back about $15k on the used market, but the good news is that you won't need your preamp anymore, so that could offset your cost by at least $800
nooooooooooooooooooooooooo, cus the pre amp has all the inputs and select switches for inputs and a phono stage....$800? NOT. They went for a bit mo' than that......flexibilty and performance is what I gots to have.....I'm wondering if I study teh Korg MR-1000 if that will do upsampling in a round bout way, with it's 2X DSD recording and use of it's supplied software....The Korg is one incredible unit for under $1,000 s.86Mhx X 2 in DSD capable, even the dCS don't do that, the EMMLABS unit does, but it is priced like the dCS. After using the Korg in live events now several times, that thing is incredible, portable, easy to use. If they can do such great stuff and retail it for under $1000...it says it can be done by others......they all share teh same chips etc....AND i have not recorded in DSD actually only 24bit 48K so as to not use up disc space for the entire nite, and it had to be workable on existing software to be used by otehrs. There is not much software out that works on DSD...Pyramix pro stuff Korg's own AudioGate, converting software...DSD is the way to go though, it really should be more mainstream
When I review my new Playback Designs MPS-5 CD/SACD player in a week or two, one complaint will be the lack of HDMI I/O. The MPS-5 has a great upsampling DAC, to 5.6mHz DSD. My Korg MR1000 has DSD file output via USB, but it's doesn't transfer data at transport speeds to the players USB port. Right now (there is potential to upgrade the DAC's firm wear) the highest speed digital input is via digital RCA, which will playback up to 24/192-196, which allows me to connect my Pioneer DV-58AV and use it as a DVD-A transport. Still, if the Playback Designs had an HDMI I/O then I might ultimately be able to use other SACD trasnports with the PD MPS-5, should its Esoteric transport ever fail (the ALL do eventually, IME).
BTW, I'm going to keep the Pioneer and two Oppos around as back ups, for fear that SACD may fall totally by the wayside. At least I'll be able to play my existing library for decades to come.
Dave
The Tascam DV-RA 1000 has SDIF-3 DSD input and output for DSD audio.
I do not know what the format is when DSD is output via HDMI.
Yeah, one thing that really frustrates me regarding digital I/O is that you often don't know what sampling levels are support on each interface. The DAC may be capable of 1-bit 5.6mHz, but the Toslink might be limited to 16/44 even though the theoretical limit is much higher. Some makers make it crystal clear, but with others you need his or her home phone number to find out what's going on.
Dave
Actually you can buy a pro Mytek Digital 8 ch A/D and D/A converter which has 2x speed 5.6 MHz DSD conversion option and Tascam SPDIF-3 DSD compatible connecting option as well. So using the Tascam unit (now with 60 GB hard drive) you can save you DSD recording on a standard DVD as a DSDIFF file and can play it using the Mytek Digital D/A.
The Mytek converter now has a Firewire board option as well available, it would be interesting to find a software which can plas DSDIFF files on a Mac or a PC using the Mytek through the Firewire. Unfortunately I do not know about any, except some expensive audio editing and post - production application.
Yes, the Tascam's SDIF-3 DSD I/O can be used without too much trouble - just some money.
But do you know what format DSD is in when output via HDMI?
While the DV-58AV has been consistent in outputting DSD over HDMI, it has been very inconsistent about outputting DSD via PCM for HDMI output. With about half the SACDs that I have tried, it will output 5.1 as PCM but, with the others, the processor (Anthem D2) is only getting stereo even though the DV-58 is playing the 5.1 tracks. The problem is not associated simply with the label. Some labels seem to be OK, some are always played in stereo and some are 50:50. All the tested SACDs will play in 5.1 PCM (converted from DSD) on a different player connected to the same processor.
Has anyone else observed this? Does anyone have an idea what is going on?
Kal
Wow, this it getting something moving this file over here in this format to play throguh this over that...I think I wanna record in DSD on teh Korg, get it ower to the Tascam onto a DVD+RW, then move it over to a regular CD that I can play on any CD player, but it should sound better since it all starts out from DSD.....Software incleud is Korg AudioGate, with teh Tascam is Minetonka Bronze....I really haven't looked into it all real close, but how do I get it all flowing.....I guess there still is no way to actually make a SACD, since there are no recordable discs in that scheme, since a DVD-R is not it....convert to the conversion into teh otehr conversion....give me a flow chart here, what software that ain't mind numbingly absurdly over priced can get things flowing?
Kal, thanks for this bit of information. Frustrating stuff.
DUP, I wish we could burn SACDs - this would be great! With DiscWelder I can burn DVD-As and thus have a way to play 24/96 without a computer.
I can't hear any improvement recording first in DSD and converting to PCM over starting by recording in PCM. Thus I record 24/88.2 (if to ultimately to CD) or 24/96 (if to DVD-A).
Plus, even on a powerful quad core machine, crunching through DSD files to convert them to PCM takes a long time.
Yup. Apparently, it is the bug in the MediaTek software that originally plagued the Oppo 980 in that it converted 5.1 stuff OK but output only 2.0 from 5.0 materials.
Kal
I have a gefen HDMI to cat-5/cat-5 to HDMI (extender device for HDMI, for any length of cat-5)...that accepts HDMI signal..and strips the HDMI signal 'handshake' issues -out- in the process of transmitting. oops!
Oh, you're mean...
Kal - I was having a remotely similar problem via HDMI with both an Oppo 980 and a 970 going into my Integra Dtc 9.8. My problem evolved. After a few months with no problems, SACD's were all coming out as stereo in DSD, while SACD's in PCM and DVD-a's were fine. I checked the Oppo menus carefully to make sure multichannel had the priority over the stereo layer in Sacd. Then, all multichannel disks, DVD-v's also, were coming out as stereo. I shipped the pre/pro back to Integra and they replaced the DSP and did a firmware upgrade. Now, everything seems to be fine.
Was this a major factor in your preference for DSD over PCM in your review of the Pioneer Elite player? Or, was it purely on sonics?
So will I be able to take the DSD out from the Tascam, an dnow put it into the EMM LABS DCC2 and get some sound? The EMM LABS has DSD in Tascam has raw DSD file format....out? But since the DCC2 upsamples CD to 2X DSD anyway, what will Tascam files played trhough DCC2 be like compared to upsampled CD? I would think pure SACD is better than upsampled CD, no? Time to compare.... Then throw in some dSD recorded LIVE from teh Korg which should stir up the pot
I never had this problem with the Pioneer or the Oppo 980 with the 9.8, only with the D2. Oppo knows about this issue with some processors and the latest FW fixes it. Also, Pioneer can fix it, too, but it requires a trip to an authorized service center.
Nope, just sonics.
Kal
The output is only via HDMI. Can the Tascan accept that? I suspect not.
Kal