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Hi, Clifton!

Question for ya:

I had heard that OPEC prices a barrel of oil at one-tenth the price of an ounce of gold.

I went and tried to track that, and it held up remarkably well for the last thirty years!

Is this coincidence, or do the two commodites seem to track together in such a manner?

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Is tht why it's called Black gold?

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This is no coincidence, Buddha. I will summarize a few reasons behind the close correlation.

When OPEC sells oil on the world markets, much of the money they receive is denominated in $USD, since we provide what is nominally the world's reserve currency (this is gradually changing, though, because our idiot savants at the Fed and in Washington believe that a weak US currency will eventually solve the trade deficits and current account deficits we now run, world-wide). These are called "petrodollars." They must be re-cycled. Some of this money buys US Treasuries (and thus helps finance our national debt). But a lot of it buys gold. Higher oil = more petrodollars = more upward pressure on gold prices.

Also, investment demand for gold (including, but not limited to, world bank reserves, large institutional funds, so-called "sovereign" investment funds) increases with higher oil prices, because higher oil prices are inflationary, and gold is the classic hedge against inflation.

Finally, even though gold is in a world-wide bull market against all the G-7 currencies, it is appreciating most rapidly against the $USD, because the trade-weighted $USD is the world's weakest currency. Since both oil and gold are, again, priced in $USD, every downtick in the dollar index is an uptick in both gold and oil.

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Finally, even though gold is in a world-wide bull market against all the G-7 currencies, it is appreciating most rapidly against the $USD, because the trade-weighted $USD is the world's weakest currency. Since both oil and gold are, again, priced in $USD, every downtick in the dollar index is an uptick in both gold and oil.

Cheers.

Cheers?! That's a wicked sense of humor you have there, Clifton.

I heard a radio commentator today mention a particular index for assessing the "controlled" downslide of the USD. The lower the index number the better according to this commentator, with low indicating controlled concern and high meaning panicky reactions. Apparently, with the latest fall in the value of US currency and China once again making noises to pull some of their investments out of the USD, the index has taken a jump to all time highs as the USD slides to all time lows. This is not looking good.

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This is very interesting, Jan. It sounds a bit like the VIX (which you can trade, on the CFE -- you can even buy and sell options on it). The Volatility Index. When folks are fat and happy, it trades around 10 to the low teens. But when fear enters the room, it shoots up to the mid-twenties. Imagine. You can place a bet on market fear. Fear has been in a steady uptrend since March, when the VIX traded at around 12.5. It has been as high as 37.50, on a spike, and closed today at 26.49. This, with the major indexes (S&P, Russell, DOW, Transports, and NASDAQ) fritzing around all-time highs!

You can place a bet on most anything. I suspect that is a big part of the problem. There are derivatives (futures contracts, options, and "custom" jobs underwritten by your favorite bank) to suit your specific needs. Can you say "CDO"? Can you say, "SIV"? Can you say, "tranched debt packages"? Can you say, "credit crunch"? Can you spell, "mischief"? Uh-oh. The Harvard, Princeton, and Wharton MBA's have let their imaginations run wild. "Quantitative Trading" (black boxes, to the unitiated) rules. Why make a decision on your own, which would surely be contaminated by emotion (I always thought a little fear helped keep people honest...)? Gimme an "M"! "M-O-D-E-L"! MODEL! Gimme an "A"! "A-L-G-O-R-I-T-H-M"! "ALGORITHM"!

Don't get me started.

We have become a nation of bettors and hedgers. And thank you, Mr. Greenspan.

Cheers. Get to know your neighborhood liquor dealer. You will surely need him.

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Great advice Clifton. Thanks for thinking of our friends here.

It recalls one of my general investing rules, "When you read about it USAToday (or Stereophile) it's TOO LATE. You'll get busted."

Dave

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You can place a bet on most anything. I suspect that is a big part of the problem. There are derivatives (futures contracts, options, and "custom" jobs underwritten by your favorite bank) to suit your specific needs. Can you say "CDO"? Can you say, "SIV"? Can you say, "tranched debt packages"? Can you say, "credit crunch"? Can you spell, "mischief"? Uh-oh. The Harvard, Princeton, and Wharton MBA's have let their imaginations run wild. "Quantitative Trading" (black boxes, to the unitiated) rules. Why make a decision on your own, which would surely be contaminated by emotion (I always thought a little fear helped keep people honest...)? Gimme an "M"! "M-O-D-E-L"! MODEL! Gimme an "A"! "A-L-G-O-R-I-T-H-M"! "ALGORITHM"!

Ahhh, now you're talking baby. Modeling risk is my friend, Vol is my friend and Fear is my friend. We're having our best year ever.

Thanks to all the disconnects in the financial markets, the old models (we never bought into the risk models that developed in the last few years) are working again and "getting even." It's funny how fundementally sound strategies always work over the long haul, but become unpopular for periods because people resist the discipline required to make them work.

It's all about "The Madness of Crowds", never forget that and you'll be ok.

Dave

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