I remember Pat Paulson's skits on the Smothers Brothers shows when I was a kid.

At the rate were going, and considering the rising level of incompetence in the White House,  Pat Paulson, if he were still alive, would probably beat Obama in the 2012 Presidential election.

My frustration is the fact that alot of Americans have become engrained in the democrat party just like an Aunt and Uncle of mine.

They have no clue what the democrat party has evolved into, and doesn't really seem to care. All they do is repeat the same old mantra the democrats said back in the 1930's. It's amost pathological.

They just can't see how the Republican Party is, and in most legislation, illustrate that they are the Democrat Party of the 30's, 40's, and 1950's. But most of the time it's to no avail.

That's a huge problem in this country. Party loyalty.

Remember John Hagelin? Owner and designer of Enlightened Audio Designs products? John ran on the Natural Law Party ticket back in 1996. Actually, he had a few good ideas. John has alot of Libertarian leanings.

If we can't get to Pat, I have a Pet Rock and will argue that even that is better than Obama.  :)

Jeff

President Obama announced his plan to cut government waste. I was hoping that meant he was going to resign ... no such luck.

Apparently the White House is creating the "Campaign to Cut Government Waste" , replete with a new oversight board.

What a waste of tax dollars.

 Jeff

More Jobs....'Created or saved'

Jeff,

I'm sure this new commission will be as effective as Obama's deficit reduction commission. You know, the same deficit reduction commission that he ignored when they offered ideas here recently.

I think that is what people mean when they say "all smoke and mirrors."

What a huge FRAUD this man Obama is.

By the way, I wonder if the Obama administration would release all of it's e-mails under the Freedom of Information Act.

..if its good enough for a private citizen (Sarah Palin), it's good enough for active politicians in office eh?

I wonder which tax cheat, or retired union Boss is going to head-up this oversight committee?

Mark

Mark:

I don't know, since Capone is dead, perhaps Rod Blagojevich.

Jeff

Obama's primary talent is in appearing to do something while actually doing nothing. He is all talk and even that is limited by is teleprompter...

I believe it is to be the fellow who was once the dumbest man in Congress, Joe Biden....

JIM:

I got to hear a montage of all of Obama's "I will not rest" phrases on the radio today.

I think the count was up to 15 before the commercial break. Interestingly, Obama is no longer saying "I will not rest." His new mantra is; "I will not accept"

Funny thing, whenever he uses the "I will not rest" phrase, he and Michelle always go on vacation somewhere on the taxpayers dime. At this point,  his time spent vacationing probably has surpassed his time in the Oval office?

But nobody with any political intellect should be suprised. If you actually look at Obama's time actually spent in the Senate, you will see where the majority of his voting was done by proxy (no-show). Or a vote of 'present' (undecisive).

Did you hear about the restaurant named "Chets" in Toledo, Ohio that Obama spoke at in a recent speech?

Obama said, and took credit for the Chrysler bailout, saying the bailout kept Chets in business.

Guess what?

Chets Resturant CLOSED after 70 years of business the other day. Then there was the Caterpillar debacle.

Everything the community organizer has touched has turned to S**T. That's a fact the leftists will NEVER admit to.

I can never understand for the life of me, WHY?  Why would anyone vote for this destroyer of business in 2012.

Obama believes something becomes true, regardless of the facts, when he utters the idea....hence 'jobs created and saved' when an imaginary number is then assigned.

I think a lot of folks voted for Obama in 2008 because the idea of Sarah Palin being one McCain prime rib dinner away from the Oval Office scared the daylights out of them ... and it's hard to argue that. Hopefully, after 875 days under siege,  the American voter has learned their collective lesson, although I have serious doubts. Additionally, considering what the list of candidates could look like come election day ... let us pray.

Jeff

Jim:

He may suffer from Cerebral Sclerosis. 

Jeff

The media was clamouring like a bunch of prepubecent teenage girls at a Justin Bieber concert over Palin's e-mails and the possibilty of finding a grain of dirt.

They found NOTHING.

But why Palin and not Pawlenty? or Romney? How about Herman Cain?

That tells alot. The White House and thier cohorts in the media are afraid of Palin.

The media never came after McCain in '08. Why? Well McCain has proven to be a waffler and a RINO. Naturally, the media loved McCain... He was no threat. Just like the other establishment Republican Bob Dole in '96 that got waxed by Clinton.

The sad fact is, most people these days have no clue about the Constitution or history, nor do they have any depth of knowledge about the course of events that formed our Representative Republic. Neither do they know the natural course of World Governments have always resulted in tyranny. 

That's exactly why the founders, such as Thomas Jefferson eloquently stated: " The price of freedom is eternal vigilance." 

The Spanish Philosopher George Santayana said:

"Those who cannot remember the past are doomed to repeat it."

It's frightening to know that modern day Americans for the most part are clueless about history when it comes to the how, when, and why free societies cease to exist because of incremental government encroachment and the slow destruction of liberty. Where are all the Men at? They only seem to care about sports and pornography for the most part.  All you need these days is a booming voice, nice suit, smile and a complicit media and viola' your instantly Presidential material.

If the media would have done its job instead of being a campaign apparatus for the DNC, Obama would have never become president, nor would he have even gotten the Democrat nomination for that matter.

The trouble with our liberal friends is not that they are ignorant: it is just that they know so much that isn’t so – Ronald Reagan

"To be governed is to be watched, inspected, spied upon, directed, law-ridden, regulated, penned up, indoctrinated, preached at, checked, appraised, seized, censured, commanded, by beings who have neither title, nor knowledge, nor virtue. To be governed is to have every operation, every transaction, every movement noted, registered, counted, rated, stamped, measured, numbered, assessed, licensed, refused, authorized, endorsed, admonished, prevented, reformed, redressed, corrected"

To be governed is, under pretext of public utility and in the name of the general interest, to be laid under contribution, drilled, fleeced, exploited, monopolized, extorted from, exhausted, hoaxed and robbed; then, upon the slightest resistance, at the first word of complaint, to be repressed, fined, vilified, annoyed, hunted down, pulled about, beaten, disarmed, bound, imprisoned, shot, judged, condemned, banished, sacrificed, sold, betrayed, and, to crown all, ridiculed, derided, outraged, dishonored. - Proudon

Jim,

You mean to tell me that us 'teabaggers' actually know a little history? And we have actually read some books on great philosophers that know their history because they lived through it? God forbid!

And to think, Shepard Smith, Anderson Cooper, and Lawrence O'Donnell have worked so hard in type-casting Tea Party Patriots into imbecillic, backwoods rednecks. I'm almost certain there is a nice warm spot in Hell for these over-paid, under-acheiving network metrosexual males.

You teabaggers enjoy yourselves and your stupid jokes, and by all means run a dunce like Palin or Cain in 2012. That would be great.

I'd like to take a moment to dispel a rumor. When the left completes their takeover of the government we are not going to put the neo-cons in secret prison camps, that would be a waste of resources. We'll put you in round rooms and tell you there is a dollar in the corner.

No Tea Party member will want the dollar if that transpires, it will be worthless.

By the way, the walking gaffe machine Obama has 'fundamentally transformed' incompetence into an art form. Thus, earning the 'dunce' title.

A waste of resources? You mean like Nancy Pelosi using Air Force One? You mean like Obama and Michelle traveling to all points on the globe for "fact finding missions" with the cost including security estimated around 10 million dollars per trip? Why don't they just travel to all 57 states like Obama said he did back during the campaign? 57 states??.....and just think, you used dunce to describe Republican candidates. imagine that.

Better yet, just ask the companies that cannot get a permit from Obama's Dept. of No-Energy for oil exploration ever since the community organizer-in-chief placed a moratorium on oil exploration (what a waste of resources) in this case, natural. 

Also, the systematic destruction of the coal industry (what a waste of resources) in favor or non-existant 'green jobs' and 'shovel-ready jobs' that Obama himself admitted jokingly they weren't so 'shovel-ready.'

http://content.usatoday.com/communities/theoval/post/2011/06/obama-jokes-about-shovel-ready-projects/1

Unemployment hanging around 10% and Obama jokes?? Trillions spent on stimulus for 'shovel-ready' and 'green' jobs that are non-existent and he jokes?? What the hell..A trillion here, a trillion there. Idiot!

Your democrat party wrote the book on wasting resources. But only when it comes to providing the military with the necessary resources to win a war, then miraculously, you Dems all the sudden are so concerned with unneccesary spending ie: wasting resources.

But I know its tough for progressive democrats to see the reality of Obama's policies. Especially if your like MSNBC's Hardball host Chris Matthews that said he "gets a tingle running up his leg" everytime Obama speaks.

Mark

Quick! Call Homeland Security!, he's running late for another round of golf.

anything their party is guilty of... ever.  Laissez faire in every way, until a Democrat replaces one of them.

Biggest collection of selfish, narcissitic assholes ever.

Pay your fair share.

Well, you sure convinced me with that evidence. Very well written and succinct.

I think the cretin got all liquored up last night and hit 4 topics in the Open Bar Forum looking for something to cavil at.

I couldn't agree with you more Jeff. Must have been too much Russian malt liquor. The Leftist progressives never cease to amaze with their innabilty to dazzle with brilliance. So I guess they try to baffle with bulls**t.

Mark:

I sure hope it was the liquor because there's no rehab for diminished capacity.

Jeff

We do not object to 'paying our share', we object to paying your share.

Jim:

Bravo!

Jeff

Would you object to paying for your audio gear? Would you object to paying for your neighbors audio gear? Just because ones neighbor votes for the left does not an obligation on me make.

And I reject the notion that others have any sort of a right to define my 'fair share', especially when so very many of their stripe pay about zip in taxes to begin with...

Sea Story...Once upon a time (I'm being polite) I attended a Portland Maine public hearing on proposed increases to our property taxes. I rose to spoke and noted two very true and simple points...In 1989 we had over 14000 students in the schools and in 2007 we had 7900 students enrolled. In 1989 we had 1100 employees in the school dept and in 2007 we had 1100 employees in the school dept...My answer to increases taxes...'reduce employment to 1989 student/employee levels'

Heresy they cried. One woman of dubiuos intelect responded that she would be glad to pay higher taxes to continue to get a great education for her kids. Later another fellow on my side noted that the fine woman was on welfare and paid no taxes...Her position was the same as found here...Or, as Margret Thatcher noted. "The problem with socialism is that eventually it runs out of other peoples money"...

"Fair Share" is a labor union term for you will pay for union dues or we will force your employer to fire you. 

You fools are so hilarious.  I can say anything and you children flip out with vitriol, hatred, racism and utter bullshit... for days. (Of course you resort to deleting parts of the post, and respond to what you like, and then spit out a random insult...surprising.) Just keep ignoring the previous 8 years from the last asshole in office. 

Yeah, 'selfish, narcissitic assholes' is very succinct- and totally appropriate.  And all of the evidence is right here in this forum.  You are truly an astonishing collection of self-important bitches...

Do you really think any of you add any value to the planet whatsoever by posting to the Open Bar section?  Did all of you get kicked out of all the other forums on the 'net for acting racist, or just Lamont?  (Oh yeah, that was the other 10,000 posts you all wacked off in... not this one... Maybe you were on your best behavior cause JA chimed in earlier...)

We'll see how much you bitch about paying YOUR fair share.  Lots of talk and no do, just like you blame Democrats.  Yr just as guilty. We'll see how much yr corporate cronies will have millionaires pay their fair share, assholes.  I bet the majority will never agree to getting rid of the Bush tax cuts.  'Paying your fair share'... Yr probably laughing too.

Time will tell, not you assfucks...  We'll see if your blameful bullshit will result in a Republican in the White House for 2012.  Yeah, keep hope alive... ahahahhahhahhhahahha..  Yr fucked.  Again.

Oh but wait! Jimmy V. has a clever, but disengenous catch-phrase for a comeback!  I cant wait! He so funny... and full of shit.

And Soulless Terrain & Jeff Superzero really dig Yoda... such a fascinating display of yr intelligence.  Total fuckin dorks. Good to see yr spending yr time so well in the Stereophile forums...  Thanks for bring so much to the table.  Silly cunts.

Yeah, I can see that.

If you were to delete all of the vitroil, hatred, racism and utter BS from your posts there would be nothing left to read.

There is nothing substantive about your posts.

Furthermore, one of your posts in paticular where you stated  ... "I can't wait until you die" ... is very disturbing. You should seek professional help Glotz. I am not sure what options there are for psychiatric care in Milwaukee but I have no doubt that in a city the size of Chicago your options for quality care would be vast. Additionally, your insurance will probably cover most, if not all, of the costs. The Amtrack Hiawatha makes 7 daily round trips between Milwaukee and Chicago so you won't even have to fuss with parking.

Glotz, why suffer another day? Why don't you pick up the phone and schedule an appointment right now? Glotz, the sooner you start your journey to wellness the sooner you can look forward to your reintegration into society.

Of all tyrannies, a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end for they do so with the approval of their own conscience.
- C. S. Lewis (1898 - 1963)

The only color that matters with Obama is RED, as in flaming Marxism...

and utterly disingenous, as usual.  It's so Triple Zero for you pretend you care about anybody but yourself.  And given how 'quote' my post of racist bastard like Lamont who calls black forum posters 'pieces of shit', it shows even more of your character- or really the lack thereof.

It proves you to be a petty little boy pretending to 'help' people, but really your just an asshole hiding behind semantics and out of context bullshit.  What do you know about me and my relationship with any city or anyone, you presumptuous asshole?  Nothing. 

It's no coincidence that you picked POST 666.  You, for sure, are going to Hell.  'Jesus can't save you, but it's nice to think he'd try...' 

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And you still dont get it.  Where are YOU posting in the actual current-issue contribution on the forum? Nowhere but here, in the 'Open Bar'.. wasting your time wacking off to your own image and beliefs. Ad infinitum.  Every month. Every week. Every day. 

I spew on you with anything I please because you deserve it. I will ruin your pretend-time because I desire it.  I'm giving you what you give others, and in the same measure.  You don't like it... I don't like you.  And I don't care what the fuck you think. I like ruining your party and watching you fascists pretend to care about what other people think. 

If you actually spend time reading and contributing to the current discussions in the June or May, or whatever month issues, you would see my commentary to issues audio, not to pointless, one-sided ramblings that you and your cronies pretend to share a discussion with others with.  In those pointed forums brings new discussion that others have added productively to, not the one-sided criticism that only you enjoy- about politics.  Go to political site to spread your predictable bullshit.  Oh, and other than Jimmy whining every month, in a typically snobbish manner, about what writers didn't do for him in a column, and acting like a back-peddling politician, he too, rarely adds to any audio discussion. (Though I can admit, he did provide good information on digital gear after crapping on AD last month.) Good thing Charles Hansen put all of the little children to bed last month.  Disconcerting comments indeed. 

No, I gave you the same bullying that you dish out to all of the other posters who disagree with you in this very post (and many like it).  Neither of the four of you have ever accepted even one iota of criticism leveled at you by anyone that thinks differently than you. And I am not talking about my comments.  And what's the fuckin point of even entertaining the thought?  You aren't pretending to actually listen in the first place. Anyone can read your posts to others and see that obvious fact. 

It's funny that you still don't see that. Do you really think anyone would waste their time with real discussion with the Four Dorkateers? You wouldn't allow it in the first place and you know it.

And yes I will go to the fuckin mattresses with punks like you that actually like and befriend a racist piece of shit like Lamont, and have done so for many years.  All 4 of you can fuckin keel over and die tomorrow.  There is no place for any of you, except the KKK.  So smear shit all over all 4 of your faces and spell 'Racist'.  You all deserve it.

No.  Everyone just spews insults in the Open Bar.  When in Rome, bitches... when in Rome. 

I've already distracted you all very effectively- well beyond my first intentions.  I've hijacked your Tea Bag session, and made you all real mad.

I'm overjoyed having ruined your little circle jerk party.  Go clean yourselves off.  Suckers.

Your rants are poorly written, you offer nothing substantive, you have not read the Bible, you're a racist, you have a bizarre obsession with feces, you regularly forget to take your lithium and it's a waste of time responding to your useless blather.

AFAIK there is one certifiable racist on this forum although there may be others. If so they are operating undercover. What I notice is that racism seems to be OK as long as it's directed toward black Americans. I will bet large amounts of money that any racist remarks about Asians will get you banned immediately.

Joe,

At this juncture, there is one certifiable psychotic on this forum.

That poster is named "Glotz" who wishes death upon fellow forum members, and the smearing of feces on the faces of three other fellow forum members that he hates because he does not have the mental capacity to discuss opposing views. If that is not certifiable, I don't know what is.

 His goal was to spread exactly what he himself hates. Which, in truth, is psychotic in nature. Thus rendering him zero in credibility.

Joe, this is the way a political illiterate acts. No substance, no facts to back up his point of view, no facts to refute other opinions, nothing intuitive, nothing that is thought provoking.  Only silly name-calling and gross descriptions.

An example of good, sane political discussion was ours a few days ago. At least I think so.

p.s. I got 12 cold ones in the fridge, You got the tunes?

Undercover racists.  How can anybody take this guy seriously.

"Well you may not know it but this man is a spy.
He's a undercover agent for the FBI
And he's been sent down here to infiltrate the Ku Klux Klan!"

...what and 'undercover racist' is or, what the criteria would be for an individual to be an undercover racist. Seems to be loaded with a certain amount of ambiguity in my estimation.

Since the four of us are supposedly going to get 'sh*t faced' ... I know it's Heineken for Joe, Heineken lite for Mark and I'll go for Newcastle ... Lamont, you?

Also, I get the feeling we shouldn't expect a Christmas Card from Glotz this year.

Jeff

Colt 45 for me.

I have never in the past will not now nor in the future invite a racist into my home. The though of sharing wine and spirits anywhere with such a person turns my stomach. The racist's choice of beverage is just another example of his racism. It's not funny, merely pathetic.

You guys just don't seem to get it. Glotz, although leaning toward the psychotic does get it. It's been the same way for years. Racists get away with being racist because good people refuse to acknowledge reality. You guys act like the "dumb ass" is the kid in high school who plays pranks on people. Well, he isn't and by accepting his comments and snide remarks you are actually supporting him and his racist views. Anyone with an ounce of sense would see his selection of beverage for what it is. Frankly I expected more from some of you. Maybe some of you aren't so undercover after all.

The label has a long-time advertising association with actor Billy Dee Williams, who has been seen in print ads, on billboards and in television ads for Colt 45 starting in the 1980s. The product's slogan during that era, as stated by Williams in his television commercials, was, "It works every time." Williams responded indifferently to criticism of his appearances in the liquor commercials. When questioned about his appearances is alleged to have said, "I drink, you drink. Hell, if marijuana was legal, I'd appear in a commercial for that too."

In 2011, Pabst Brewing introduced Blast by Colt 45. Snoop Dogg signed on to promote the beverage as Blast's "brand ambassador."

Even Johnny Cannon endorsed Colt 45...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X7qVFyVfDy8

I bet you use a lot of products endorsed by white people.  I wouldn't hold that against you.

 

 

But to note the warts on our fearless leader...the only color that matters in the discussion is red, for that is what Obama's political philosophy is. The folk who rely on cries of 'racist' simply are incapable of defending Obama's positions on their merit.

I spew on you with anything I please because you deserve it. I will ruin your pretend-time because I desire it.  I'm giving you what you give others, and in the same measure.  You don't like it... I don't like you.  And I don't care what the fuck you think. I like ruining your party and watching you fascists pretend to care about what other people think.

Duh. And because Marxists love to fuck with you. And psychos. Talk about pscyho... listen to yourself:

Here's a novel idea, You could place you fecal art next to that other leftist psychopath Serrano and his 'Piss Christ' photo.

When was I creating art?  Would I actually smear shit on Lamont's face?  Ah no. Would he deserve it if I did? Ah yes.  It's a provocative metaphor... obviously... and it pissed you all off, so it was very effective.  It made your hate bubble to the fore, much like Lamont does when he calls Black people 'shit'.  Right back at ya!

And talk about incoherent bullshit out of thin air...  You do it every day, Soulless Bastard. And I'm not the one pretending to be a wanna be psychiatrist, as each of you does every time someone posts something you don't like.  You know it- all the proof is here, month after month... and I don't care how you try to insult me.  Your opinion is pointless to me.  Keep pretending that your baiting is working.

But a lot is very evident here- anybody you dont agree with is: leftist, Marxist, Leninist and psychotic, doesn't know English, etc, and really anything else you desperately drum up.  All people you don't agree with are un-American.  Thanks Mr. McCarthy.  It's ironic that you would use tyranny against those you don't agree with.  No, each of you are the real fascists because you create lies into propaganda, right out of thin air.

I have no problem with infuriating you each day.  It prevents you from feeling satified with yourselves.  For me, that is satisfaction enough.

And I do apologize for being animalistic to those without racist tendencies.  I don't even care if they hate the President for their political views.  It's pointless to try to 'change' them even for one minute, so I haven't bothered (other than to spread the hate right back at them). 

As soon as their racist talk makes a crossover to their politics.... well, it becomes way too easy for them to disguise their true source of hate with convoluted political bullshit (to cover it up or legitimize it).

Sorry if it makes you uncomfortable.  

Search your feelings.... deep inside.  Wow, you are a master of circumlocution. "The criteria".. hahahhahah... ambiguous. Riiight.

That very statement is sooooo 'undercover racist' its laughable.  What a loquacious, feeble attempt at repudiation.  Hahahahaha...

Keep the blather alive!