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Sometimes cable advertisements just make you shake your head. I just received a catalog in the mail and one cable design is described as follows, " ... The 8 X 28 AWG negative conductor consists of 8 X 28 AWG, LGC wire."

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Lemme guess.

The simpler grain structure and fewer impurities within Long-Grain Copper provide significantly clearer sound than normal OFHC copper?

RG

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Not my point.

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But what about the positive conductor?

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Sometimes cable advertisements just make you shake your head. I just received a catalog in the mail and one cable design is described as follows, " ... The 8 X 28 AWG negative conductor consists of 8 X 28 AWG, LGC wire."

From the Department of Redundancy Department??

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But what about the positive conductor?

Curiously, it wasn't mentioned.

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You must have to buy the positive conductor separately. This would reduce the "sticker shock" on the individual cables.:p

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They were $39 cables.

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But what about the positive conductor?/quote]

Curiously, it wasn't mentioned.


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Scarlet Viper features a large 20 awg solid center conductor made of Long Grain Copper (LGC) for superior signal transfer. For superb overall performance in an entry-level cable, these are the same Long Grain Copper (LGC) conductors found in AudioQuest Sidewinder. The 8 x 28 awg negative conductor consists of 8 x 28 awg Long Grain Copper (LGC) wire. A full-coverage shield helps keep out EMI and RFI noise for detailed music reproduction.

Poor display of comprehension on your part, lends an ironic quality to your criticism I'd say!... perhaps they should have repeated the information?

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I apologize, they obviously did mention the center conductor. I looked at several of the write ups on that page and didn't remember the wording of that particular piece when I posted that reply last night. However, doesn't the "large" 20AWG center conductor seem just as odd a claim when compared to the cumulative guage of the bundled negative leg?

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Odd? Not to me. Used to use Audioquest Quartz way back when and they had a small single solid core positive conductor as well.

However when they were eventually replaced with DH Labs BL1 the bass response with the BL1 was so much better that it almost made the Quartz seem broken! BL1 is a decent entry level interconnect, a bit on the dry side perhaps, but has good extention (highs and lows).

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I guess this only indicates how two people can have different reactions to what they read. My only point was the redundancy of the sentence I quoted. I also found the the description of the 20 AWG conductor as "large" to be mildly amusing. I had no intentions of launching a discussion of the merits of various cable designs nor the veracity of any claims made. That always seems to head down the wrong path. Thanks for supplying the full write up for everyone to see.

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Speaking of reactions I must say I've been puzzled by your OP. What was the point exactly, a concession toward your cable adversaries by way of demonstrating criticism of the Ad copy for a interconnect that cost about $40 for a 1.5m pair?... geez you must have been feeling really generous!

Here's a hint for ya'... better put your energy into avoiding being wound up like an alarm clock but every half-assed naysayer that gets it into his head to bother you!

You're welcome in advance.

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I understood the post to be simply noting the silly wording, "The 8 X 28 AWG negative conductor consists of 8 X 28 AWG..." and in this case I think there was little ulterior motive.

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+1

I vote that we know all stop fussing at each other and put our collective energy into much more productive discussions such as:

-what would happen if the 8x28 AWG conductor consisted of 8x28 AWG strands, each of which was divided in half between the knee of a virgin prior to being encapsulated in the cable.

Contemplating how the cables were made might make them sound better.

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My "point" was simple. I found the quoted sentence to be a bit silly. I had hoped it might provide a bit of light humor to a forum that has of late sorely lacked the ability to enjoy itself. (And I hope that sentence provokes no response other than a simple affirmation.) I still find the sentence humorous and I think the idea of a "large" 20 AWG conductor is the audio equivalent of "huge reductions".

Thank you all for your time and consideration. Is it time for Round Ten?

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I had hoped it might provide a bit of light humor to a forum that has of late sorely lacked the ability to enjoy itself.


What were you thinking? Humor?

This is The Hobby we are discussing.

It is not to be fun or enjoyable in any way. It is a serious pursuit.

It is a high art to listen to a mechanical system attempting to reproduce what talented musicians produce after years of hard work and study.

Those who acquire such systems are not mere craftsmen; they are artisans.

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Here's a hint for ya'... better put your energy into avoiding being wound up like an alarm clock but every half-assed naysayer that gets it into his head to bother you!

You're welcome in advance.

Are you saying that people who approach cables with an open, but skeptical mind, that people who are wary of extravagant claims, are half-assed?

Surely not ,bjh, tell me it's not so

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It is a high art to listen to a mechanical system attempting to reproduce what talented musicians produce after years of hard work and study.

Yeah, but it should be fun talking about it. I don't know about you but my lollipop has got some fuzz on it.

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Scarlet Viper features a large 20 awg solid center conductor made of Long Grain Copper (LGC) for superior signal transfer. For superb overall performance in an entry-level cable, these are the same Long Grain Copper (LGC) conductors found in AudioQuest Sidewinder. The 8 x 28 awg negative conductor consists of 8 x 28 awg Long Grain Copper (LGC) wire. A full-coverage shield helps keep out EMI and RFI noise for detailed music reproduction.

Would I get the same results with LGR (Long Grain Rice)?

http://www.ceps.com.tw/ec/ecjnlarticleView.aspx?atliid=973044&issueiid=57019&jnliid=2737

Of course, as Result #1 in the above paper suggests, fresh rice would provide the best results. No mention of AWG, but I guess swelling of the rice due to summer humidity would be a bonus. I'm not sure how to work shielding into this.

Sorry, too much free time tonight...

Bob

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No comments about the "positive conductor" wording?
There are two choices of outputs and neither have a positive leg.
1)An output stage that references one lead to ground or zero volts. The other lead varies on both sides of this zero reference. Both positive and negative.
2) An output that uses a push-pull output stage that uses no ground or zero volt reference. The output voltage from this type amplifier varies between positive and negative on both leads and still has no positive lead.

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And yes Jan, I get it. 20 AWG is not a "large conductor".
By the way aren't all audio interconnects solid conductors?
The only other choices would be liquid, gaseous, plasma or semi comductors, right?

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Long Grain Rice is more exotic sounding, but white rice has the more cohesive presentation.

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Long Grain Rice is more exotic sounding, but white rice has the more cohesive presentation.

Wet noodles have a better flow and liquidity especially through liquid mercury cables.

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never mind.

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No comments about the "positive conductor" wording?
There are two choices of outputs and neither have a positive leg.

Since this thread was headed in such a positive direction, I wasn't positive I should mention the positive conductor.

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