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Graham J Samuels
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New Tweak

Somewhere in this forum this has may have been done ,Its all about those who have subs and living around others and wanting not to disrupt their world , I thought about how can I stop these sub sonics . So I purchaced a slab of 1/4 granite polished but not the edge for this I uesed some clear nail polish from 10 ft can not tell , Glued four high quailty rubber discs under the slab its now 1/4 off the floor , the sub a Martin Logan Grotto removed the spikes and replaced with oem rubber feet. After days of listening to this tweak I think, and I must stress that, the focus of the sub sounds more detailed and have backed off the gain ever so maybe one notch.As far as stopping the sonics from traveling to others domains so far so good tyme will tell. Anyone played with this tweak?

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Sub sound disturbance

Very low frequencies are difficult to contain in a typical living space and typical construction. You may ask some pros how to handle this situation.

As to the rubber feet and granite, if the subwoofer cone moves up and down, it could excite the granite/rubber combination depending on how stiff the rubber disks are. In my own case, a driver moving up/down worked best for cleaner bass if the box is coupled to the floor through spike feet, not rubber or carpet.

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Thanks for the reply , Yes proly right about the spikes. I took the rubber feet off the sub and replaced them with the oem spikes , Now the sub has a more developed response not in your face but in a suttle way I can tell there is a change. As far as the rubber feet under the granite, Well I did not want to cause any damage to my floor this was the reason. In the future I may try to spike the slab as well but that will involve fitting the spikes to the slab and then decouple them with disks, Maybe I can use some sort of iso nods or cones to do this. And best off all still no complaints.

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Spikes or rubber feet
Graham J Samuels wrote:

Thanks for the reply , Yes proly right about the spikes. I took the rubber feet off the sub and replaced them with the oem spikes , Now the sub has a more developed response not in your face but in a suttle way I can tell there is a change. As far as the rubber feet under the granite, Well I did not want to cause any damage to my floor this was the reason. In the future I may try to spike the slab as well but that will involve fitting the spikes to the slab and then decouple them with disks, Maybe I can use some sort of iso nods or cones to do this. And best off all still no complaints.

It sound like your problem has opposing goals. If you want to eliminate structural vibration of shaking floors and disturbing neighbors due to the vibration, then you need to isolate the subwoofer from the floor. The right type of rubber floor and granite slabs might help. Without actual numbers, one can't determine if this reduces vibration transmission to the floor or increases it.

If you have spikes coupling the sub to the granite and the rubber feet beneath the granite slab to the floor, the effect is increasing the subwoofer cabinet mass with the granite, but putting a rubber spring coupling the entire sub-granite system to the floor. Since subwoofers are not exactly light in weight, and added granite to the mass of the sub cabinet, the rubber feet below the granite probably must be fairly stiff, perhaps vibrating at frequencies above the subwoofer rolloff. Again, without actual numbers, I'm just guessing here based upon ballpark estimates.

If you want to get better sonics, then the idea of spikes coupling the subwoofer to the floor makes the subwoofer cabinet more 'attached' to the floor. This makes the cabinet act like it has gained additional mass (the floor) and may vibrate less in the vertical direction (assuming the subwoofer driver moves in the same direction). This makes the driver move the air and less moving a shaky cabinet on a resiliant foundation (carpet for example).

On other thing to try is to use the spikes on the floor, and put the granite on top of the subwoofer. Spikes couple the sub to the floor to act like more mass for the sub cabinet, and the granite on top adds more mass as well as push the spikes harder so it's less easy for the sub to vibrate the cabinet if driven very hard.

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Yeah this has turned into two things, You know I never did have any complaints about my sub and still dont no matter what volume its at, Still I had to mess with it Oh well , Your responce in the sonics very interesting, Thankyou for your insite. Yes it seems that experementing with the slab and spike conbination will be in order. The other day I talked with a dealer who told me that what I was doing was incorect , that I should remove all the spikes from the sub and my speakers and just let them rest on the floor , They the spikes do nothing for the sonics and that if I was using them on carpet then they may be of some use but not that one could hear it. Hum well thats a new one I thought one would want to decouple the speakers and sub from the floor as it is in my case hardwood. As far as controlling the subs waves going out to others the sugestion was to try acoustic pannels and maybe bass traps.Last night I remove the slab and let the sub rest on the spikes not having any discs I used three dimes to prevent any damage to the floor and wouldnt you know she sounds very good ,I then placed the slab on top and aside of looking like hell could not hear any change and removed it. At any rate I may try to use some sort of bass trap if anyone complains in the future. As far as the sonics from the sub I will leave this as it is tight and controled not intrusive but there when its needed. Again thanks for your advice.

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