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New speakers - focal 726 or b&w 683 with denon 1510

 

Hi there I am new to the hi fi world and recently picked up a denon amp 1510 due to it being last one in Dubai and only other options being cheap amps or amps out with my price range.

 

So I tested it with the following speakers (not many options here) all costing about 900 gbp

 

Focal 726

Klipsch r82

Wharfedale evo2 40

aviano 8

 

I used the following songs as tests :

 

Brighton rock, queen

Battle of Evermore, led zep

Larks tongue in aspics pt 1, king crimson

Stockholm syndrome, Muse

Always driving in same car, bowie

 

Anyway side by side comparison the 726 came out on top big time, there was a sense of urgency with them and not too much bass and not too little (wharfedale had none whilst klipsch too much) . Aviano were good all rounders but didnt ever stand out. The 726 whilst bassy never lost the detail and soundstage was impressive. It just wowed me.

 

Now I am keen on getting them however before I do so I want to test b&w 683 speakers. Unfortunately I can't test them with my amp only a rotel. I plan on checking it out this week.

 

My room is 6x4m however it leads onto another room of 6x4m and the open area is large enough that you could call the room a 6x8m room.

 

Tiled floor and windowed wall on the full 4m side of the wall in both rooms. Hard concrete walls too.

 

So I was wondering about the focal and b&w...

 

1. Are 600 series and 700's similar standard? Ie are they comparable or are the 800's closer to the 600 series? I know that focal are more expensive for what u get due to higher cost of manufacturing in France vs china (600 series)

2. Main difference between b&w vs focal sound? What can I expect when I finally hear the 683?

3. Difference between denon 1510 sound and rotel 1520 sound? Since I want to be able to consider amp effect on 683 when I listen to it.

4. A room such as I described... 683 maybe a better option since it comes with plugs? Manage bass better...?

5. Any other thoughts?

 

To be honest I already listened to 683s but wasn't impressed but this is due to the fact that the shop was renovating and they ha them in a padded room which allowed no reflection at all. So I want to give them another chance in a similar environment to when i tested the focals

 

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System Choices.

First I would say that it is very unlikely that ANY B & W speaker in the same price range will sound nearly as good as the Focal speakers.

My experience with the Focal speakers is that they are almost all outstanding speakers in their price range, while I find most B & W speaker models to be overpriced and mediocre, and the 683 is not even one of their better speakers. I suggest that you be sure to avoid the 683!

I would advise any friend of mine to concentrate on the Focal speakers (or possibly the Wharfedales), and forget about the B & W speakers completely (especially the 683, which is poor).

I find all Klipsch speakers except some of their VERY expensive ones to be extremely unpleasant to listen to.

 

Secondly, I find most Rotel amplifiers to be quite good-sounding and pleasing for a wide range of music.

Other good amplifiers are Musical Fidelity, Arcam, and Creek and Cambridge.

I find the Denon amplifiers to be very inferior in all respects. If you have the possibility of returning it and getting a Rotel amplifier (or one of the above) instead, I would certainly advise you to do that.

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Unfortunately rotel cost

Unfortunately rotel cost about 700 pounds and if I want the CD player to go with it then that's another 700.

The denon 1710 (manufactured in Japan) won the European sound award a couple of years back as well as being held in high regard in Europe. It also sounded great with the focals so I am quite happy with it. As I say alternative is entry level marantz or denon or expensive (1k plus) amps apart from the rotel but their CD player is expensive and wife has told me the system has to match!

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Amplifier

The Denon amplifier you are talking about may be better than what is available in the USA. The 1710 is not even shown on the Denon website, so it may be a discontinued model.

They do list a Model PMA-710AE Integrated Amplifier, which is the closest thing I could find.

If it sounds good to you with the speakers you are going to use, that is what matters.

Enjoy!!

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Sorry I am an idiot. It's the

Sorry I am an idiot. It's the 1510 not 1710... Model above the 710.

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I just purchased Focal 726

I just purchased Focal 726 and I think they are fabulous for the money. I was a B&W buyer till recently. I just find that Focals sound more musical in my system.

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