Looking forward to read about these measurements in relation to audible qualities.
Music? Or Sound? JVS Elaborates
I regret that, to some, I came off as arrogant or condescending. It’s not that I have a golden ear; rather, I’ve had sufficient experience with the particular performers and compositions in the recordings used at the demo to have developed a set of expectations as to how those recordings should sound. The reason why others at our listening sessions weren’t immediately “able” to hear the imbalances I heard is that I had the advantage of hearing the recordings in widely varying contexts over years of blogging audio shows.
People tend to trust reviewers who have devoted considerable time to amassing a storehouse of listening experiences that enable them to make valuable critical calls about equipment and recordings. It’s not that these reviewers necessarily have superior judgment; it’s rather that they’ve established standards by which to evaluate the material at hand. They have learned how to both focus on specific elements, and to sit back and take in the big picture. IMHO, those reviewers who are equipped to assess how the entire listening experience makes them feel have an obligation to educated readers and elevate discourse by discussing how equipment can present music in ways that transcend the sum total of its parts.Jason Victor Serinus
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JA responded with interest to my proposal although not after being pressed. Aren't you at least interested in relating measured parameters and audible characteristics? As for a cable manufacturer company, there must be an objective way beyond the cost of producing one versus the other, to rank their products and their benefits. Let's get to the bottom of this instead of shouting birds name to each others.

Sorry, spoke too soon! I still find however that trying different components in my system and listening is the bottom line. I have Linn (perhaps that's why I get so feisty!), so of course, I'm always told Linn works best with Linn. I've tried components "outside the box" and have found some that made my system sound awful and some that made significant improvements. The numbers might prove to be interesting.

My sources are Linn (LP12 and Unidisk 1.1). Regardless if effectively we can hear a difference between speaker cables, this difference has to be quantified and related to measurable parameters in order to become a repeatable characteristic. It might very well be that interaction between the same cable and different electronics will produce variations. Fine. We need to know why and we also need to know if more information is indeed true to the signal. That's how science works and that's offering reliable information to potential buyers. Everyone should be interested in this and just as this approach works in determining investment strategies, it also would weed out the overpriced/overclaimed ones and reward the true quality.

Most of my system is Linn (except for DVD, tape player, tuner). I am happy to leave the number crunching to the manufacturers and those who need to analyze this kind of data for their specfic uses. As a consumer "enthusiast", I rely solely on my ears and my response to what I hear to guide me on that twisty, winding path towards better sound and, perhaps, better music as Jason has described in his article. Personal finances, of course, ultimately dictates the level to which I can aspire and although I know there is always better (the bane of reading Stereophile!), I am quite happy with the system I have now. I believe the years of reading publications, like Stereophile, has provided the education and mentorship, as John Atkinson has written above, that has led to greater fun and enjoyment of this hobby and a deeper appreciation of the entire process that can bring John Coltrane, the Boston Symphony, and Arcade Fire into my living room.

Maybe you can't tell the difference with normal lengths of wire but say you took some everyday type wire and measured these values. Then, you took a 2 foot pair and compared it to 10, 20, 50 and 100 foot pairs. If the 2 foot pair has 20pF and the 100 foot pair has 1,000 pF then you'd better be able to hear the difference in a dbt. If the difference is still too subtle for a dbt then anyone who claims there's a substantial difference between 92 pF and 118 pF for 10 foot pairs of the above is clearly a silly goose. If you can hear the difference in a dbt then it would be possible to find the dbt threshold. Maybe 35 feet is the shortest length where the differences can be scientifically proven to exist by a dbt. That would be fantastic. Then dbt would be a new parameter that cable manufacturers could use. They could do measurements and advertise that their cable is scientifically determined to be distinguishable from zipcord at a length of x feet. The lower x is the better the cable must be. Dang!!! I've just solved this whole problem. Then, golden ears could claim they hear and appreciate the difference at only 40% of the scientifically determined audible difference length.

If there are differences in wire that can be heard in a system, and those differences increase with length, then it would be possible to figure out what that length is in a system. Obviously, the length wouldn't be the same in all systems. Comparisons between wires would need to be done in the same system. If 1 wire was distinguishable from zip cord at 40 feet and the other wasn't distinguishable until 200 feet it would be a meaningful comparison.

Learn about Scientific Methodology.
Find out how testing is done in the real world.
Ask any high school science teacher.
Go to college.
Really.
Please.

I'm sure in real science they change every variable on every trial when they're trying to uncover subtle differences. I just don't have the time or inclination.
I think I'll start my own cable company. I'm gonna name my cables after famous deaf people. I'll have the Helen Keller, old Beethoven, Lou Ferrigno and the Johnnie Ray.

In real testing, all variables are controlled. That's why it can't be done in your basement.

What about my living room?

Please take a course in research methodology- check out your local college or university.
Starting your own company will be educational. At least take electrical engineering.

As much as I enjoy being talked down to by someone who offers nothing, I think you should just name one relevant variable I can't control.

Or which comment named just one?

Do all zip cords sound the same?
Beyond this, I can't help you.

think it's a reasonably safe bet that they'll have the same basic properties. I'll buy a whole spool and cut off different lengths. I could specify Radio Shack 14 awg speaker wire, part number ?????. Would that make you feel better? Then, when I compare that to my 50k Ferrigno cable (comes in a green box) we'd have a standard comparison.
I realize that if there were to be a dbt parameter there would have to be a bunch of rules for it to be valid. There's no need to go into minute detail in the comments section of this article. My basic point is that if cables make a difference, the difference is related to measurable parameters and those parameters change linearly with the length of the cable, then we ought to be able to prove it with a dbt.

You make a lot of assumptions. You have to test each assumption. Them's the rules.
Go back to Step 1. Learn basic theory.

You just can't grasp that this is a place for conceptual arguments and generalizations. I'm not gonna go into minute detail here about how a test would be conducted. You're basically just changing the subject over and over. It's bizarre but really common in this hobby.

http://www.sciencebuddies.org/science-fair-projects/project_scientific_m...
or
http://teacher.nsrl.rochester.edu/phy_labs/appendixe/appendixe.html
Do Step 1, then Step 2, then....

I'm gonna be clear and direct, see if you can understand this. I don't disagree with the scientific method. This is a general, conceptual conversation.

Scorpio69er,
There seems to be a lot that happens in your mind that doesn't happen in the real world.
Perhaps, if you stop reading Stereophile you won't have to imagine what John and his staff may or may not be doing while reviewing audio components.

Your "hobby" is not alright, if only because there are moral questions assosiated with spending hundreds or thousands of dollars on anything, certainly wires, and "to each his own" ain't no kind of answer. But maybe most important: I'm sure your passions enjoy themselves elsewhere. Go outside, toss a frisbee. Volunteer, learn an instrument, ask a beautiful woman good questions. Quit with the pettifogging and live!

Thank you. It was indeed an honor to be invited to give this lecture.
John Atkinson
Editor, Stereophile

I don't think there's much point in arguing. Many of the ideas presented above are more in alignment with "religion of audio" than "science of audio". The "followers" will never be convinced otherwise so let them be. We can be entertained by the beliefs without being critical, and without believing the same things. Some enjoy their belief system and there's no reason to change their minds. Simply enjoy music you like through equipment that meets your various personal needs and budget. The article below is a good example of the "religion" mentality that makes people so emotional. I don't see any reason to tell them there's no Santa coming down the chimney.
http://www.stereophile.com/content/yba-cd-1-blue-laser-cd-player
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