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Music downloads -- what a "load" of you know what!

A few weeks ago I downloaded music off the 'net for the first time. It was the "American Idiot" album by Green Day, from Sony's on-line music store (Connect.com). I was getting it mostly for my 13-year-old so he could put it on his PSP. Well, wouldn't you know after I paid my money and downloaded the album, I could not get that music onto the PSP at all! I finally learned the copyright holders of that particular album did not allow it to be transferred to any kind of portable device. Now, isn't that special? Of course, there's no place on the Sony Connect website that I could find that out UNTIL I had already bought the download. Maybe it's there, but I could not find it. What kind of deal is that? Why don't they have to disclose exactly what it is they are selling? I know, "buyer beware" and all of that, but still I feel like I've been ripped off. Elsewhere on the site, they do say all their music can be put on a "device", although in still another place they confess that some music will not be transferrable to portable devices, depending on the copyright restrictions. It just seems to me this information should be disclosed up-front, on a per track or album basis. The way it now stands, every purchase is a crapshoot, as far as fair use is concerned.

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Re: Music downloads -- what a "load" of you know what!

i always wonder with some of the extreme copy rite stuff, if its so well protected, and we couldn't possibly copy it, should'nt we be able to return it if the music stinks?

anyway that is awful, stay as far from sony as possible, Cnet has decent reviews of music download sites that are likely to be less restrictive of download content.

good luck

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I hate to say this because it's one of the most obnoxious phases in the English language but I told you so. Haven't you been reading my posts? I've only warned, said, written, whatever you want to call it about ten times: DRM (digital rights management - the thing that's preventing you from playing the downloaded music which you paid for on your PSP device) is the spawn of SATAN!! and is to be avoided at all costs. I'm not joking nor am I crazy.

DRM is going to kill the entire convergence industry. You know what "convergence" is? Is that's pie-in-the-sky BS the magazine writers and editors like to prattle about which has no meaning in the real world we poor folk live happen to live in. Convergence is where the computer, the stereo, the home theater, the mobile phone, the blender, the vacuum cleaner, the telephone, the PDA, and countless other electronic household devices all come to work together seamlessly. Yeah right. Like this is ever going to happen from a video industry which can't introduce a new format without a major format war or a computer industry which after 20 years still requires most users to have, I don't know, about 20 different incompatable address book files.

For convergence to work DRM needs to be DOA.

Sorry you had to find out the hard way. In the future I would just buy the CD and rip the music into a mp3 file myself. NO DRM, no hassles and you can set the sound quality yourself. Check out this thread for my response to someone's question about the various software DRM strippers available.

DRM removal Thread

I hope this helps.

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Thanks for the tips. I've not been around here much for awhile, so I guess I missed the warnings.

Music downloads will never replace hard copies for me, so it really won't be too big an issue. But I do like to round out my collection with downloads --I've found a few favorite songs that for one reason or another I've never been able to get any other way. So, it is handy to be able to cherry-pick favorite tracks if you don't want to have to buy somebody's Greatest Hits package just to get the one cool new song; you know, the one they always stick on there just to entice you to do exactly that.

I know Sony has been getting some well-deserved bad publicity lately, but their music download site, Connect.com seems pretty good as such things go. Of course, my experience in these matters is pretty limited. I just tried to educate myself about different music download sites, kind of a "crash course" in order to get my kids hooked up, cause you know, kids really prefer singles most of the time anyway. So I thought it would be better for them and cheaper for dad to get'em hooked up online, rather than to have them trolling the CD bins at Wal-Mart.

My main concerns in searching for a site were: PSP compatible downloads, availablity of uncompressed CD audio tracks for dad (that would be me), and I wanted it all legal, because as much as I hate record company greed and DRM, I will not send the message to my kids that it's OK to steal music through these P2P networks. So, the Sony site seemed to fit the bill. And really, it's been OK for the most part, other than the Green Day album. I've not encountered any bothersome DRM issues. Of course, many titles are limited in the number of CD's you can burn them to, but it hasn't become an issue for me...yet.

Still, at the end of the day, I'm a collector when it comes to music. I like having something I can hold in my hand. Otherwise, it feels more like renting the music. Plus, I LIKE liner notes and artwork. Anything that brings you closer to the music or artist is good.

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Re: Music downloads -- what a "load" of you know what!

If I'm going to pay for music I'm going to get the CD. That way I can do as I please with it.

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A significant amount of music CD's will not play on computer CD players. If you use your PC for ripping compilations or just making copies this can be a problem.

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A significant amount of music CD's will not play on computer CD players. If you use your PC for ripping compilations or just making copies this can be a problem.

Hi Joe,

I'm confused. I've yet to encounter a music CD which will not play on my computer and I have well over 2500 store bought CDs. Can you please give a specific example of a music CD which does not play on a computer.

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Some of them might be here:

http://www.fatchuck.com/z3.html

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I don't have any myself. I keep hearing about them as I sneak around the net. I guess I don't listen to the right kind of music.

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Thanks Jeff. I checked out the site. There seems to be an awful lot of listings for GB. There aren't as many as I thought for the US.

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