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MagusOCM500
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Moving external drive between computers, my head is steaming!

I have posed my problem to ComputerAudiophile and others, with no help in two weeks! I THINK I have a common problem that I can not solve. I have been ripping my CD's to a USB Hard Drive, using one PC running Windows XP and Window Media Player 11 (WMP11). I have fixed all of the meta data artwork and tracks. Works fine. At this time I have not made any playlists.

BUT when I remove the Hard Drive and carry it to my stereo rig, and plug it in to a different laptop running XP and WMP11, the tracks are a mess, most art is missing. I THINK it is a Sync issue but I can not solve it and of course Microsoft has not been any help. The tracks can be played through Windows Explorer but most of the Track #1s are missing and likely in the pile of unkown albums.

It seems ITunes is far more popular than WMP, but this seems such an easy thing to do.

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What file format

are you ripping your CD's to?

RG

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I am ripping in full res .WAV files

Sorry I forgot to mention that I have ripped all my CD's into full rez .WAV files. I have ripped nearly 500 gig to a 1 terabyte Seagate USB hard drive.

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My condolences

This is the dealbreaker for using the .wav file format. There is no defacto standard for tagging in .wav and therefore it is not a good solution for interoperability. Many applications don't bother tagging the files at all, and only keep the metadata in the application's database.

I believe this may be your problem. The WMP you used for ripping has the data stored in its database, the other WMP does not.

Google 'metadata and .wav' for further insight. One of the many compressed lossless formats that utilize standardized tags may be in your future.

RG

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Right on!
RGibran wrote:

This is the dealbreaker for using the .wav file format. There is no defacto standard for tagging in .wav and therefore it is not a good solution for interoperability. Many applications don't bother tagging the files at all, and only keep the metadata in the application's database.

I believe this may be your problem. The WMP you used for ripping has the data stored in its database, the other WMP does not.

Google 'metadata and .wav' for further insight. One of the many compressed lossless formats that utilize standardized tags may be in your future.

RG

RG you hit the nail right on the head. Great call. And JA seems to think that the archives on the Stereophile web site contain enough information for anyone to learn about, understand, properly setup and use a computer based music system. I don't think so.

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The question is, where is the metadata stored?

Some file formats can contain varying amounts of metadata fields. However, players and library managers like iTunes and Windows Media Player often use their own storage schemes outside of the song file in order to ensure the same types of metadata can be stored regardless of song file format.

I actually think the problem here isn't the WAV format but rather the library software being used on the 2nd computer not knowing where the metadata is stored, or not able to access it because it's not on the USB hard drive for whatever reason.

For example, iTunes by default uses a common folder than contains not just the media (i.e. song files) but also a few library files that tell iTunes about the media---a standard database technique. When you run iTunes from another computer you have the ability to select a different library ... it'll ask you where the library is, and after you select it iTunes sees all your stuff. I've never used Windows Media Player but surely there's a similar ability?

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