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Mitsubishi DA-A10DC

I just came accross a pair of these amps today. Does anyone know anything about them? I can't seem to find any reviews at all. The guy I was talking with at the shop said they could be used In a Bi-amp configuration. Any thoughts? From what I read they were made In the 70's

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100WPC, dual mono, docks to the matching preamp, very late 70's-early 80's design.

On ebay right now, with a low of $250.00..to as high as 1600.00, for one new in the box.

Decent for the lower price.

But I am one seriously picky bastard, when it comes to sonics. Some folks think the amp is just fine. It has it's own cult following, though minor it might be.

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Do you know what the sonic characteristics of this amp are? Are they any good for Bi amping? This guy wants $700 for one he has two. I can buy a Bryston 4bst for that. So that leads me to wonder how they compare?

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IMHO, buy a Bryston 4B and be done with it. Leave the $700 Mitsubishi for the fans and collectors of that type of gear.

The 4B is inherently a better sounding amplifier. As well as being far better constructed, with overall design, implementation, and chassis all being superior, and in the overall long term mechanical reliability sense..all combined to make an amplifier a classic.

Older Brystons sound their best after the third day of being on, almost exactly 72hrs, most times. There is a reason for this. Long story. The difference is there, but it is minor. (with regards to this time frame to sound good issue)

Let me put it this way: If someone offered me two of the Mitsubishi's..or one of the Bryston's....I'd take the Bryston, every time.

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I agree, it's a no brainer to go with the Bryston. Bryston is a highly respected company that's been making and supporting great products for decades. I've sent in really old amps to them for repair (think 25 years and over) and repairs have been quick and extremely inexpensive. Every Bryston has a 20 year warranty from the date of manufacturer, the warranty stays with the amp regardless of who owns it. They wouldn't offer that warranty unless they had FULL confidence in their product.

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Good advice, thanks

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Just a note, IIRC the Bryston equipment from a couple of years back forward no longer carries a transferrable warranty.

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Which means it's at 'Bryston's discretion', which is fine with me. If a Bryston goes down, give Bryston a call. See what happens. You might be surprised.

For example, our company's coating products have no explicit warranty other than being defective from the get-go. People call us for help, we help them. The lack of warranty gives us the opportunity to to reject the more bizarre folk who feel that for some reason, they were born with some sort of special entitlement. Generally, we fix things up for most people with little to no expense for them. All they have to do is call - and be reasonable.

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For example, our company's coating products have no explicit warranty other than being defective from the get-go. People call us for help, we help them. The lack of warranty gives us the opportunity to to reject the more bizarre folk who feel that for some reason, they were born with some sort of special entitlement.

That's one of the most bizarre statements I've ever heard. You don't warranty your product because you want to pick and choose who gets service and who doesn't? You're demented! How do you expect to have any customers at all?

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Heck, Home Depot warrants their paint for 15 years!

You would think at $500.00 a gallon Goo Systems would "help out" all their customers. Gosh forbid they should expect it after paying those prices!

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Heck, Home Depot warrants their paint for 15 years!

You would think at $500.00 a gallon Goo Systems would "help out" all their customers. Gosh forbid they should expect it after paying those prices!

RG

You two would have to go into business and see how many scammers end up on your doorstep, if you advertise that you give away free stuff to anyone who calls in and says they have a problem. Most folks are not rotten and truly only call if they have a problem. If a guy screws up his application..like a poor driver smashing up their car....we give then free coatings..but do you see GM giving away free cars to people who can't drive?

Getting mad at me is like getting mad at the Bazooka Joe gum folks cuz you bit your tongue one day, while chewing their product. Either you can use paint-or you can't. Yet when you screw even THAT up, we still give you free product.

That's largely what we've done since the doors opened.

So don't misunderstand the situation.

The lack of a clearly written warranty is to be sure that the scammers are kept away. Believe me-they try.

To top it off, none of the retailers dealers, or distributors have to deal with warranty issues. We deal with them directly. I've even sent replacement products, with free shipping, into the heart of Greenland, or The Congo, or Chile, or....etc, etc.

As for $500 a gallon. That's enough to make a 180 sq ft screen. And it's the same thing as audio. There's ok screens, good screens, great screens and spectacular screens. Goo is at the spectacular end of things when it comes to quality.

Go price a high end 180 sq ft. finished screen. I expect you to come back with a receipt for about $7k to $10k, plus taxes..and a really sore ass. I mean, the last install call I spec'd a screen coating for, for a really big install, came from Paramount. The one before, Disney. The one before, Pixar. The one before, Christie. Etc. We're beginning to completely take over the high end in video installs. It's bizarre.. We're the least expensive part in the install, but also one of the most critical. Everything in a multi-million $ park ride depends on the image seeming -REAL-..and we're big part of that. And the whole install quality and effect hinges on a 30 minute conversation I have with the given designers of said ride or display. I'm in no way shape or form a doctor that's telling people, over the phone 'where to cut' but it sure feels like it some days. Guys planning out and actually doing these huge installs based on what I tell them. I do my best! As well, the existence of the Goo product is one of the only reasons they can even attempt these completely new types of installs.

What I'm saying (and was saying) is that if you call Bryston, they might still repair the given older unit...but now ...it is 'at their discretion'.

And it's a DAMNED expensive enterprise to deal with folks who feel they're entitled to something, even if they are not. As stated, thankfully..scammers are rare. But it is foolish to set yourself up to be screwed by them. For they will, if given the chance.

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You deem a clearly written warranty as somehow a bad thing. How about standing by your products? How about not picking and choosing arbitrarily which problems you will fix and which problems you won't? GM, and others you sited have clear, concise warranties. Providing a warranty for a product you manufacture - gee, what a novel idea. Try THAT as a business model.

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I never said that, at all.

What I'm TRYING to say without saying it..is that it is very likely that Bryston might help out someone, outside of their stated warranty. But I should not be speaking for them nor am I trying to. I'm just trying to say that Bryston's warranty may now be different than it used to be - but that does not mean that Bryston has changed their attitude on customer service. It's always been one of the best in the business. I've no idea why they changed the warranty, you'd have to ask them.

But the 'new' warranty does not scare me from buying an Older or Even a new Bryston. I know their reputation for service..and I doubt they'd be changing it 'out of the blue'.

I mentioned our warranty as a way of saying that the reality, concerning the given Bryston... may, just may..be different than that which is written. It all depends on the given situation.

As for Goo's warranty or lack of it. Having a warranty beyond the 'replacement of defective product' is not necessary. We almost 100% of the time, go far, far far beyond that. We won't write that part down. It would be like having a 2 page warranty of the side of a bottle of water. Either you can drink water effectively.. or you can't. It's not like the bottled water company needs a warranty with explicit and convoluted conditions.

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You don't need to explain yourself KBK. Being In business Is tough and It's easy to criticize from the outside.

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As for Goo's warranty or lack of it. Having a warranty beyond the 'replacement of defective product' is not necessary. We almost 100% of the time, go far, far far beyond that. We won't write that part down. It would be like having a 2 page warranty of the side of a bottle of water. Either you can drink water effectively.. or you can't. It's not like the bottled water company needs a warranty with explicit and convoluted conditions.

Bollocks! It's absolutely necessary to have a clear warranty. It's necessary because it shows that you're not afraid to stand by your products by putting your support in writing. It provides a clear scope of coverage as well as the length of time of support after the sale. It shows commitment to your customers. It shows confidence in the quality of your products. Ambiguity is not a good thing when it comes to product warranty. Arbitrary or whimsical support is not a good thing. Clarity, transparency, and commitment are good traits when it comes to doing business.

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