You think that's bad.

The unadvertised size of the REAL and absolute derivatives bubble is a completely stupid..$4 quadrillion. That's $4,000 trillion, in case you don't know.

It' being held offshore as a 'unrealizable' sum of crap that was created by the dickbrains at the federal reserve, as a known falsified money pyramid scheme. A debt that will have to be nullified as the joke that it is.

It ended up in the hands of the Fed and their backers, even though they tried to foist if off on other groups.

So, in essence, it's not a robbery the whole thing is a joke.

America, a country simply does not have to accept the paper. After all, it belongs to the people who created the bubble debt, and that is the federal reserve bank, a private company. A private company that is floundering badly and WILL go bankrupt very soon, AFAIK.

The whole insider story, AFAIK, right now, is to force the Fed and those who back it, to accept the devolvement and dissolution of their power broker gambit called the FED. They (the fed and scumsociates) are fighting hard and using every trick they can. Some (of these attempts) are brutal beyond belief.

Like any battle, at that level, in the entire history of man, the general public has no idea it even was or is taking place - until it is over. So don't expect to see more than a whiff of it in the news. And to understand that whiff of news that indicates the true shape takes some attention being paid and information used to discern the true shape of what is behind the given news item.

A MINOR aspect of this battle is the 600,000 ounces of tungsten-lead bars what were gold plated and are out there- all over the world. These bars came directly from the Fed. This is a fact and amounts to, at this time, in $ value alone, a $660,000,000 crime. A KNOWN and extant major crime. This is not a joke. This is a clearly established and known crime.

Yet, not one word of this in the popular press.

Yet, if you want to check it out, you will find this specific information on gold bullion trading sites.

That is how far this situation of the FED and those involved with it, has gone. A $0.6 billion crime, completely unreported in any way, shape, or form.

My point has always been that the major media is corrupt beyond belief and the 'University of Oregon's 2008 'media ownership report' of the total US media system does clearly show that it is controlled by a very small group of less than 20 people.

Guess who the majority of the media - is involved with.

This is why you can't get any real news in the USA.

Yep, we were sold a bill-of-goods. The only way out is through corporate America. Thus, the latest Supreme Court decision. If KBK was to smell a conspiracy with this one, whether I like it or not, he has good reason.

Obviously the deficit is never cover solely, or even mostly, by personal income tax. Though if you took up a collection of the top 500 billionaires you might actually come out ahead. It's really too bad that 9 years ago GWB came into office with a budget SURPLUS. Now, where did that go anyway?

That's not true and the economy was slowing down when Bush took office. Within the first year we were in a recession. The whole Clinton financial legacy is total bullshit. Fast forward to Obama's first year. Most people don't realize this but federal financial compliance work was reduced drastically during the Bush years. The Feds just were not working enough cases. This reduction in federal audit and compliance cases started back during the Clinton years. Nobody had been minding the store for years. Wall Street was having a field day. The billions Bush got from Congress to wage war is just a drop in the bucket by this year's standard of just giving it away to business that were no longer a going concern. I understand you expect the rich to pay for all of this but the bottom line is the middle class get a paycheck on a regular basis. It is much easier to get the money when the checks are cut. And these so-called billionairs give an enormous amount of money to charity and other NGOs so they know the money is going to good use. The last thing you want is to give your money to government with the "intended" purpose of good use. It never happens that way.

This is how our federal government works. They have regulations concerning automobile safety. Toyota is having a problem with a floor mat getting under the accelerator pedal. This is going to cost Toyota a lot of money. But rules are rules and people are not expected to throw a troublesome floor mat that keeps slipping forward in the trunk of the car where it will do the most good. Instead, Toyota will just stop selling the cars in question and say "fuck you" and close six assembly plants just to add insult to injury. One of these cars is the Camry, which happens to be one of the best selling cars in history. BTW, Toyota didn't take any money from Obama. Neither did Ford. Do you think there would have been an historic recall if this happened to GM? Of course not. The federal government is a major shareholder. Talk about a conflict of interest. I've been buying Toyota for years and guess what? I'm going to continue to buy Toyota.

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Yep, we were sold a bill-of-goods. The only way out is through corporate America. Thus, the latest Supreme Court decision. If KBK was to smell a conspiracy with this one, whether I like it or not, he has good reason.

Yeah, when you start jumping into the foxhole with the crazies and sit there, shaking and hanging on to your legs..and ask them what the hell is going on..that's when you know things are getting bad.

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Toyota is having a problem with a floor mat getting under the accelerator pedal. This is going to cost Toyota a lot of money. But rules are rules and people are not expected to throw a troublesome floor mat that keeps slipping forward in the trunk of the car where it will do the most good. Instead, Toyota will just stop selling the cars in question and say "fuck you" and close six assembly plants just to add insult to injury.

Ummm, you do know it's not actually the floor mats right? There was a story on the news the other night showing a tow truck hauling a Toyota and it's dead driver out of a lake. The floor mats were in the trunk which was the initial suggestion for taking care of the problem. It's estimated that Toyota is going to eat several hundred million dollars pulling the eight car models off the market and it doesn't seem likely they would do that if the solution was something simple to do with the floor mats.

The interesting thing is they could show dozens of bits of footage of pulling dead people out of GM's or Fords any time they wanted. I'm not arguing any for or against anything. I'm just sayin'.

I've always found it interesting that it was Toyota's US plants that were threatened with closing by Bush senior and a 21% tariff on all Japanese cars was also threatened, as at the time, Toyota was attempting to sneak into existence a car with an Minato Motor ('Minato' base type, an electrical motor with some interesting aspects) in it. This is the basic motor type that is being shown by Steorn, right now.

As in this case, where the Minato deal (involving Toyota in the early/mid 90's) had to be found via investigation..I wonder what the real story is, today.

Today, serious and large parts of the clique that run Japan have broken away from the US based power/control structure. So these sorts of 'plays' are going to be seen, with regard to manipulation of US public perception.

I think you're right. Toyota is now stating it is caused by wear and tear on the acceletor. WTF? These a new vehicles. How much use becomes wear and tear on a new vehicle? Anyway, it is a voluntary recall and the actual malfunction is rare. How rare? Well, it happens when the accelerator gets stuck and people forget what they were taught in high school driver ed about what to do when you accelerator gets stuck (hint hint [it happens]}. Don't panic, put the car in neutral, turn the ignition key to the off position, and slowly brake the vehicle to stop. And this latest recall is not related to the floor mat recall. So, there is more than one recall on the same issue. Overall, there have been approx. 100 problems and 5 deaths. So, I bet any of us, with due diligence, can find 100 complaints on stuck accelerators for any car manufacturer for the same time period. Toyota is taking the right action and since we want to blow it up in media they might as well quit selling the vehicles and shut down the appropriate plants. Simple business decision to me. Oh, and by-the-way, this is going to hurt the middle class families with layoffs.

The last I heard was that the problem is limited to U.S. built cars only. Japanese cars used a different supplier for the accelerator and aren't having any issues. The U.S. built cars use an American manufacturer for the part and it seems to be the focus of the problem.

That figures. My Toyotas were made in Japan.

Lets do the math. Total recall = 5.9 million vehicles

Number of incidents = 100

Chance of this happening to you in one of these vehicles = 0.001695%

Chance of this happening to you in one of these vehicles that result in fatality = 0.000085%

Chance of being killed in a transportation accident = 1.298701%

If you own one of these vehicles then add the 5 known fatalities for these vehicles and your chance of being killed in a transportation accident = 1.298786%

There is no such thing as a car that can't be braked under full acceleration to a complete stop. There is no braking system that can be overrun by a floored gas pedal. People are just too stupid to deal with contingencies.

The car that was pulled out of the lake was in there for something other than accelerator problems. Sounds like a driver problem.

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That figures. My Toyotas were made in Japan.

Lets do the math. Total recall = 5.9 million vehicles

Number of incidents = 100

Chance of this happening to you in one of these vehicles = 0.001695%

Chance of this happening to you in one of these vehicles that result in fatality = 0.000085%

Chance of being killed in a transportation accident = 1.298701%

If you own one of these vehicles then add the 5 known fatalities for these vehicles and your chance of being killed in a transportation accident = 1.298786%

Or not

http://mobile.chicagotribune.com/inf/inf...&nopaging=1

http://www.xceedspeed.com/forums/showthread.php?p=3029061

Remember the Audi fiasco years ago? And 60 Minutes pushing the lawyers' agenda? When all the dust settled it was proved that some elderly drivers had mashed the throttle instead of the brake. And it hurt Audi sales for years.

I'm not saying that Toyota doesn't have a technical problem, but there are so many more reasons for these accidents that the lawyers don't want to consider. No deep pockets.

And I find the statement that Toyota and the NHTSA agree there are WOT situations that the brakes can't overcome to be patently absurd. Any vehicle that can't stop under those conditions has failed a basic design parameter and it is unlikely Toyota or the government would have tolerated this condition over such a wide range of models.

So- Toyota drivers- please hit the brakes when your car suddenly becomes a cruise missile rocketing into the ether.