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Jim Tavegia
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How Shure and Stanton get no respect.

I have noticed how often Shure, Stanton and even in their day Pickering, get slammed for being somewhat less that others think of the likes of the low end Grado and the like.

It seemed to me that at their price points they offered great value and trackability. The norm today is that any cart that tracks at near 2 grams is acceptable.

I still remember reading reviews of the Shure Type 3, the IV, the V in all its versions (I owned one) and liked it and praising it trackability and flat frequency response when compared to moving coils that often seem tipped up in the HF.

In radio stations I worked the M44E and the Stanton 500's were the norm. One station owner was such an audiophile he used Stanton 600s on his tables and tube phono stages that the previous engineer hand made. Pretty much unheard of in the day. Back cueing has taken a toll on many a cartridge.

I still would think that the Shure could hold it's own against the comp in the same price point. I still have an old Stanton 881S on an old Project One DR220 and an even older Shure M91ED on an old, refrub Dual 502. I have owned many Grados over the years and the Shures are the equal to me of the Prestige line IMHO and Grados can have a hum problem on some tables.

It seems that the better carts seem to start at the $500 price point and can get excellent over $1K with the right phono stage.

I am curious where many started your TT journey years ago and where are you now?

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Re: How Shure and Stanton get no respect.

I use now Shure V15 mR X or what ever teh last iteration is, Stanton CS-100 discontinued top o' line at teh time, and Sumiko Blue Point special...I like teh Stanton overall the best smoother shimmering highs, smooth mids. Shure V-15 is good but a bit duller than teh Stanton CS-100 Sumiko is good too, but it is brighter, less body in the mids. And I use the same RCA cable on all of the 3 VPI-JMW 10 arems for each....so it's not the wire...and these differences are REAL, and measurable. i guess the Stanton CS-100 didn't sell all that well, so they stopped it, they stopped teh Shure also.

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Re: How Shure and Stanton get no respect.

"3 VPI-JMW 10 arems..."

That's rich.

I'm dubious.

Did Jeff and JA see these arms?

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Re: How Shure and Stanton get no respect.

Well, he had at least one VPI turntable -- I don't remember seeing extra arms, but, check if you can make out any:

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Re: How Shure and Stanton get no respect.

In 1967 I bought a Benjamin Miracord TT (don't remember model) with Pickering cartridge. Currently I use a VPI-JR brought up to full HW-19 specs and a Rega RB-300 with all the tweaks and whatnots (VTA adjuster, new weight etc). Although I have several cartridges including a Shure V-15V I've been using a Sumiko Blackbird lately.

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Re: How Shure and Stanton get no respect.

Where is the fire marshall in your town??? LOL Just Kidding. With all those lps you need more than ONE TT.
Interesting RIAA info: Granite Audio RIAA info

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Re: How Shure and Stanton get no respect.

Jim, I think the photo that Jeff posted was taken at DUP's place when they visited him to hear his system. I can't imagine that sort of shameful clutter in any place Jeff was responsible for.

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Re: How Shure and Stanton get no respect.

The TT can only take one at a time!!!eeessshh, the 2 others are down on the other shelf, eeeeesssshhhhhhh. Do you have one of those fancy TT's that play 3 arms at once?

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Re: How Shure and Stanton get no respect.

It's gotten WORSER, clutter that is.

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Re: How Shure and Stanton get no respect.

Clay,
I was pretty sure that was not Jeff's place. I did like the "manly" flashlight! Makes you wonder what really goes on in the dark there? They do seem to have many brown-outs in the NE. Must be every time Dup fires up thoes huge modded Hafler amps. LOL

I keep looking at the VPI turntable line and find much to drool over. I would think the Scout with a Clearaudio Wood would be very nice. I would bet most VPI owners are very satisfied.

I think that is also what makes that new Marantz table so intriguing. As a package it looks and I'll bet it sounds very good as well.

I still think that your combo of Shure, MMF, and MF phono stage sounds very good. I would bet that more people cut their teeth on something Shure than on most others. Kind of like a singer never using an Shure SM58. Pretty unlikely.

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Re: How Shure and Stanton get no respect.

Ah, the old static "decorative" turntable display piece.

Nice!

Is that a red "23" I see written in special pen on the flashlight?

DUP, if you were to keep those batteries in the freezer, your system would sound better.

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