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Here's a POS uninterested in making the country a better place...

Sen. Mitch McConnell:

His party's main goal is denying Obama re-election.

Yeah, that's some class.

"Governing? Shit, no! We just want the power."

Straight outta "Scarface."

"In this country, you gotta make the money first. Then when you get the money, you get the power. Then when you get the power, then you get the women...or men, as the case may be, since we are Republicans."

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"Anyone except Bush!"

You got it.

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"Anyone except Bush!"

You got it.

Hey, smart guy....no matter who won it wouldn't have been Bush.

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By definition a Conservative will always, ALWAYS, be on the loosing side of history. In the meantime they are a major pain in the ass. The Conservatives of today would have been the British Tory Sympathizers during the American Revolution.

From wikipedia: "The American Revolution was the result of a series of social, political, and intellectual transformations in early American society and government, collectively referred to as the American Enlightenment. Americans rejected the oligarchies common in aristocratic Europe at the time, championing instead the development of republicanism based on the Enlightenment understanding of liberalism.

The Founding Fathers were strong advocates of republican values... which required men to put civic duty ahead of their personal desires.

Historian Leonard Woods Labaree has identified eight characteristics of the Loyalists that made them essentially conservative; opposite traits characterized the Patriots. Loyalists were older, better established, and resisted innovation"

Yep- some things never change. Must be why it's called the Grand Old Party.

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By definition a Conservative will always, ALWAYS, be on the loosing side of history.

I didn't know George Washington, Abraham Lincoln, Woodrow Wilson, and FDR were losers? Just to name a few for the three fucking moron liberals left on this forum.

You fucking idiots really should study history rather than shitting through the mouth. I suppose you morons wipe your face with toilet paper as well. Why don't you put on SOME MORE lipstick?

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"Anyone except Bush!"

You got it.

Hey, smart guy....no matter who won it wouldn't have been Bush.

You fuckers still carried the signs for some goddamn stupid reason.

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"George Washington, Abraham Lincoln, Woodrow Wilson, and FDR"

By the standards of their day, all those guys would be considered LIBERALS. They most certainly did not try and maintain the conservative status quo that was in place. They bucked (if not overturned) the systems in place, and in Lincoln's case, he even got murdered for it. So what part of history did YOU not read sweetheart?

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Goddamn it. That a bunch of fucking bullshit.

I suppose the Sedition Act of 1918 is a good example of liberalism at the time. Just an example.

You and a few other idiots on this forum seem to be the only people on Earth that can suck their own dicks.

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By definition a Conservative will always, ALWAYS, be on the loosing side of history.

What side of history? The Bolshevik revolution perhaps.

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That's what I like about you Lamont. The less you have to say, the more you talk about other people's dicks. Personally, I don't like thinking about your dick or anyone else's, but hey, if it makes you feel better...

If you think you're so right, then prove your points with something to back them up. Screaming about it just proves MY points.

I'll say it again: by definition, Conservative will always loose to progress over time. Show me an old idea that no one belives in anymore, like slavery or a Church run State, and I'll show you that everyone who fought to keep them going were Conservatives during those times. It's obvious, like 2+2=4. Conservatives want the past, the status quo, and give anything a little time and they will be on the wrong end.

And Mark:
The Bolsheviks were not liberal, they were radical extremists. They were violent revolutionaries that installed a party-led dictatorship no different than any other military or fascist government. There was no liberal or conservative aspects in that system because you got shot if you disagreed. The only time liberal applied was shortly before the USSR broke down. Again, the liberal elements are what changed it and dissolved it. The conservatives wanted to keep it going.

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The arrow of liberty points in only one direction.

Classically, this has bolstered liberalism, but as we head into the era of potential nanny states, one has to wonder if honest conservatives like Mark Evans are now pointing in the best direction. I know it isn't partisan hacks like Nancy Pelosi or Mitch fuckin' McConnell.

Doug, did you ever take Mark's "Which are you" test? I'd be interested in your take!

I'm starting to think John Twelve Hawks is our most prescient current writer.

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I'm still wondering how my example is a form of liberalism. Since you got your dick in your mouth here it is again. How does Wilson's Sedition Act of 1918 support your claim that my examples of historical conservatives is in your distorted view an example of a liberal? It doesn't. You are talking out of your ass again. You're fucking sick and letting ego defense mechanisms speak for you. That is a shortcoming. Some people want to be white until they find out that it is a shit sandwich as well. Welcome to it isn't fair and I'm going to make up shit to make me feel better.

And to add insult to injury how is FDR's policies of locking up American citizens of Japanese heritage a form of liberalism. What you want to do now is restate your stupid statement and argue that FDR's policies were liberal during his time. If that is the case why are liberals screaming about war and locking up the enemy and drilling fucking information out of them using methods that in your mind liberals have always used in the past? That doesn't make any fucking sense and that is exactly the way you plan to dig your way out of this shit trench you got shot into. Good fluck with that, nimrod.

And again, how is George Washington's condolence of deporting the Tories an example of being a liberal during his time? I suppose you are going to argue that everything done in the past was a form of liberal thinking. That is everything that was won rather than lost. You really are heading down the Yellow Brick Road with the straw man.

I wouldn't be surprised if you think Harry Truman was a conservative except for the moment he made the decision to obliterate two entire cities. Or do I have that backwards? If so, than he was a liberal when Soviet spies were working in his administration. Or was he a liberal when he got us involved in the Korean Conflict. Was Kennedy a conservative for getting us involved in the Vietnam Conflict? Right? Or do I have that backwards as well? You tell us.

Like I mentioned before. Some of you dumb asses really should stay away from making stupid statements for which history will shoot you down in flames. If you don't know what the fuck you are talking about it is better to stay quite. At least JJ and Jan make broad stroke statements backed by opinions and editorials (not history) that just happen to coincide with their own beliefs, right or wrong because they are smart enough to know that it is all based originally on just an opinion. When they stay away from facts they do fine and trust me they do make an effort not to get involved in any facts.

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I have no idea where you get your ideas Lamont, but I didn't say all HISTORY is liberalism. Come on- do you even read what is posted?

I said the historic choices that we cherish today would have been considered liberal at the time they were made. Maybe it's too complicated for you to get your blinders around? Again- looking at history, progress by it's very definition is CHANGE for the better, by breaking from the status quo.

And who wants to CONSERVE the status quo? Think hard, I know you know: Conservatives. Conservatives want to keep the status or go back to what was the status. Hell- that's what they'd say themselves! "Take back America." "Return to our roots."

ALL your examples would be conservative actions numbnuts! If you weren't so busy thinking about everyone else's dicks and asses maybe you could use your brain.

And Buddha: you are right about overreach. In fact many "liberal" policies are not progressive at all. They are in their own way conservative too: teachers unions are definitely all about maintaining status quo, as are many entrenched interests. My point is and always has been: grow from where we are, don't try and go backwards in an effort to go forwards.

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And Buddha: you are right about overreach. In fact many "liberal" policies are not progressive at all. They are in their own way conservative too

So, many liberal policies are not progressive at all. In their own way they are conservative. Yeah, that makes sense and goes with how you will intend to keep trying dig your way out of this one. You have now gone beyond ego defense mechanisms to the philosophy of nihilism; the denial of all real existence or the possibility of an objective basis for truth. Example, it is really liberalism when it is conservatism but only when conservatism wins [on the side of history] than it is liberalism. Oh, and of course it is vice versa. Kennedy was a conservative for starting the Vietnam War because we lost that one. Had we won the Vietnam War than Kennedy would be a liberal because conservatives have "ALWAYS" been on the losing side of history. Nihilism.

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can you imagine what it is like living in kentucky. we have that guy as a senator. the other one is a senile, washed up, ex-jock that his handlers don't let out at all anymore who is now replaced with the equally embarrasing goofball, rand paul. around here, they would vote for a monkey before voting for a democrat. of course, that explains 2 terms of bush.
i want to move.

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"....around here, they would vote for a monkey before voting for a democrat."

So, is that a knock against the state, or against Democrats?

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I suggest moving to my state: Massachusetts. The ONLY state that resoundingly said F-U to the whole GOP/Tea Party BS in this election. No significant race went to a Republican.

Yea- we have some higher taxes and few other problems. We also have something like 4 of the top 20 universities IN THE WORLD here. A highly educated work force, culture to satisfy all by the ardent New Yorker, a beautiful coastline and mountains to boot, good wages, great companies to work for, and cool historic towns. Hey, we started the whole mess we call the USA. BTW, my forefathers settled here over 300 years ago. I think I got some cred in the "real American department."

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I suggest you go into the hills of Kentucky and ask for directions.

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Budd:

i live here, and it is by choice, so i can only be critical to a certain degree. however, it is very disappointing to go to the poles and see 80% of the offices are unopposed. it all happened in the republican primaries. the up side is practically no political ads. but because we are across the creek from cincinnati, we had to endure all of their terrible ads, but at least offices were contested over there. enough ranting.

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