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Help me pick speakers $750 budget
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Listen to as many loudspeakers within your price range as you can.  Check used prices for used speakers within your price range and listen to as many of those loudspeakers as you can before buying used.  You might have to make a trip to the LA area, it will be worth it.

Audio Video City - San Luis Obispo

Audio Ecstacy - San Luis Obispo

If you are really developing a two-channel system and have no desire for a multi-channel home theater (two-channel works just fine for watching movies) then I'd also consider the 60-day money-back trial of the Magnepan MMG for $600.  This way you can listen to them in your own room with your own gear.  If you eventually get a Rythmik F12 subwoofer you will have a loudspeaker system rivaling those which cost thousands.

http://www.goodsound.com/equipment/magnepan_mmg.htm

http://www.soundadviceblog.com/reviews/review-magnepan-mmg-speakers/

http://www.rythmikaudio.com/F12.html

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Listen to as many loudspeakers within your price range as you can.  Check used prices for used speakers within your price range and listen to as many of those loudspeakers as you can before buying used.  You might have to make a trip to the LA area, it will be worth it.

Audio Video City - San Luis Obispo

Audio Ecstacy - San Luis Obispo

If you are really developing a two-channel system and have no desire for a multi-channel home theater (two-channel works just fine for watching movies) then I'd also consider the 60-day money-back trial of the Magnepan MMG for $600.  This way you can listen to them in your own room with your own gear.  If you eventually get a Rythmik F12 subwoofer you will have a loudspeaker system rivaling those which cost thousands.

http://www.goodsound.com/equipment/magnepan_mmg.htm

http://www.soundadviceblog.com/reviews/review-magnepan-mmg-speakers/

http://www.rythmikaudio.com/F12.html

My main issue for not being able to go out and listen to multiple systems is my temporary disability. ( I just broke both my legs in a work accident) It's very hard for me to go out, I have to have somebody drive me etc. An LA trip is pretty much out of the question unless I go to a doctor or something down there.  I'll be spending a lot of time in my house just chilling. so I'm trying to figure out ways to get the best bang for my buck so I don't go nuts while I heal

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who offer 30 to 60 money back guarantees may be a good solution for you.

The Magnepan MMGs should definitely get a listen.

Some others:

Axiom Audio

Ascend Acoustics

Emotiva

AudioInsider.com for Swans

I wish you a speedy recovery!

 

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The Onkyo receiver I have comming is an 8ohm system, will it power the magnapens? It's only 45 watts and I do intend to upgrade at some point. I would just rather wait to upgrade that if I could help it. My total budget is $800, I already have this amp and my player. If I have to pick up a new amp to run the speakers right off the bat it kind of ruins the plant and the budget.

 

I'm looking into the Klipsch RF-62's and RF-82's. Audio ecstasy doesn'tg really have a showroom. They are more service oriented. I actually rode to their warehouse and they were closed during business hours. :/ My buddy was pissed too because he wanted to check out some of the stuff they carry. I'll be looking into the brands you mentioned, thanks for the advice.

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So, that unit, while not optimal, will suffice with the MMGs until you upgrade.

The Klipsch RF-82 are $1100 a pair, and the Klipsch RF-62 are around $880 a pair.  Isn't this is over your budget?  The Klipsch KF-26 is available at Best Buy and is within your budget.  Perhaps you and a friend can hobble over to 255 Madonna Road and listen to some Klipsch there.  Klipsch are efficient speakers, easily driven by that Onkyo, but some people find them bright, forward and harsh.

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So, that unit, while not optimal, will suffice with the MMGs until you upgrade.

The Klipsch RF-82 are $1100 a pair, and the Klipsch RF-62 are around $880 a pair.  Isn't this is over your budget?  The Klipsch KF-26 is available at Best Buy and is within your budget.  Perhaps you and a friend can hobble over to 255 Madonna Road and listen to some Klipsch there.  Klipsch are efficient speakers, easily driven by that Onkyo, but some people find them bright, forward and harsh.

 

I've been able to reliably find the RF-82's for around $800 and the RF-62's for around 650-750. I've listened to the one's at Best Buy and they are definitely Harsh. It didn't help that how they have them set up is probably the worst way to demo speakers imaginable.

 

If you think the Magnepan's will do well with my amp I may go ahead and give them a shot since I can return them if I'm not happy.

 

Are Martin Logan's worth looking into? Most of their stuff seems pretty pricey. Is their low end any good?

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$1000/pair and the less expensive speakers wouldn't be any better than the MMGs.  I think it would be a good idea to at least listen to the MMGs.  If you like them you can live with them for a while with the Onkyo until you can get them a little more power.  Good Luck!

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They sound better by far than anything else in their price range ($600 direct from magneplan). I bought a cheap Polk sub to use with the things and the combo plays better than the $2K in electronics I have driving them.

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I'm going to give the Magnepan's a shot. I did some more research on my amp and found that it's capable of driving a set of 4 ohm speakers at around 80 watts. The nice thing is, if I'm not impressed I can return them. I will mostly be listening to Vinyl on the system, but I'm pretty sure it will end up hooked up to the TV at some point. The only complaints I've read about the MMG's are a slight lack of bass. I assume I can augment that with a good subwoofer to make up the difference. Am I right about that?

 

I'll probably place my order first thing Thursday morning when I get my check next week. I'm really excited to get my listen on :)

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I'm a little concerned, my room will not give me adequate space for the MMG's. The interwebz seem to suggest they be spaced 3' from the rear wall. I don't have the room to do that. I can only bring them about 16" out from the wall. Will this completely ruin the speakers for me? I'm not currently in a position where I can easily move speakers around, although the MMG's being really light will help that a lot. The web also mentions needing to do room prep to really make them shine, is this a "must do"?

 

Optionally, I have the ability to pick up a legit new set of ML Motion 12's for about $600 shipped. How would these stack up against the MMG's? I've heard their high end may not be as clean and clear, but their bass is better. They also have better sensitivity at 92 dB/2.83 vs. the MMG's at 86dB / 2.83v and are 4, 6 or 8ohm compatible.

 

Are the MMG's still my better option?

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the front wall and they sound just fine.  I am not impressed with the ML Motion series.  They certainly are not as coherent as the MMGs. The MMGs are likely to satisfy far more than the Motions.  You can address optimal bass later with a subwoofer.

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I've been a Magnepan owner off and on over the years and presently owning the MMG's. I have a dedicated listening room (12X14) and experimented with speaker locations, there's no doubt that the MMG's sound the best about three feet from the front wall in my listening room.

That said, they can be easily moved when doing critical listening. I had a beautiful pair of Von Schweikert VR-1 monitors on Target stand with spikes fill with sand and had a hard time moving them to get the right location and don't believe I ever did.

I don't believe you will get more speaker for $600.00 bucks..

Hey Jackfish, what turntable/cartridge and phono preamp are you using with the MMG's??

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Emotiva USP-1 preamp, Emotiva ERC-1 CD player, two Emotiva UPA-1 monoblock amplifiers, an Akai AT-2600 tuner, a Harman Kardon TD4400 CD transcription quality cassette deck, a pair of Magnepan MMG Magnestand loudspeakers, a Rythmik F12 subwoofer, Dayton SCP-6 speaker cable, modest to el cheapo Acoustic Research, Monster, and Steren interconnects.

Oh yeah, the turntable is a Pro-Ject Xpression III, the cartridge is an Audio Technica AT440MLa, phono interconnects supplied with the turntable, and I currently use the phono stage in the Emotiva USP-1.  I would like to find a quality MM phono stage with adjustable loading/capacitance for under $500.

I have a wood composite floor and have put felt pads under my loudspeakers which allows me to pull them into the room when I want to.  Unfortunately, I no longer have a dedicated room and had to lose my GIK Acoustic room treatments.

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Sorry Madcat, didn't mean to hijack your thread.. Having been a cat person for years, I love your cat picture..

You have a very nice system there Jackfish, the Maggies must sing with those mono blocks.. I also see your Maggies have been upgraded to the Magnestands...

I think buying direct looks like the wave of the future..

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Here's another vote for MMG's. IMO they're the best buy in audio.

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