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Personally, I will soon have more SACDs than redbook cds. I just never cared for the treble reproduction of standard redbook.

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I have actually been purschasing a lot more LP's then anything else. With amusicdirect, local record shops and used book stores that carry records I can find almost anything I want, old or new...

I have bought a couple of SACD's, but they just didn't get me going, I enjoy good Red Book players instead...

What SACD player do you use?

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Don't have SACD or DVD-A and probably won't until there is one format. I just don't see that happening. Hi-Res video seems to be going down the same road as audio. To bad.

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Yes, I certainly do. However, since I am originally from Hong Kong, I am buying from another inventory of SACD titles in addition to what's available domestically. Over 225 SACDs now, with 2 more in the mil coming to me.

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Using my Jolida JD 100 I still buy more CD's as they sound great through the tube CD player. There is still not the SACD's from my favorite artists available. I still think the advise of getting a great CD player is very well thought out. If you find a CD/SACD/DVD player that rocks your world then all the better. CD's in a great player sound very, very good.

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No. Since I don't own any hardware there isn't much point. And I'm not intending to buy any hi-rez hardware either.

The recent purchase of an upsampling redbook CD player has taken care of nearly all the objections I have had to digital sound. Improvements in treble quality have been most marked. So with 500+ CDs in my collection, all more acceptable than before, why bother with a format change?

In any case I have been apprised of a rumor to the effect that more than one Japanese hardware purveyor is on the point of giving up on SACD. Can anyone substantiate this with details?

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you're buying the wrong CD's then. Red book done well on the right system sounds superb these days.
I've got 1200 CD'sand about 20 are SACD/Hybrids, but no player.

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the availability of music. were there more releases on sacd, and i mean AFFORDABLE prices like ABKCO and concord, i would be there. as it is, if i want a kurt elling or tord gustavsen disc, it has to be rbcd. i resent the $24 pricing of the patricia barber discs. we dont need mofi to be inflating the prices out of our reach. too bad premonition records doesnt just release hybrids.

thats one of the reasons sacd failed in the mainstream. record stores had to maintain dual inventory. with hybrids, they could have had a hi rez section and still have the same discs in with the standard CDs. and no returns for unplayability of single layer discs.

i cant see why telarc doesnt just make all their inventory as hybrids. they even have dsd recordings only released on rbcd! WHY?

i didnt make a huge investment in the hardware either. i snagged a sony ns500v for $169 delivered just as it was being discontinued. the review in tas is what hipped me to it and i havent been sorry. even rbcd playback is superior in it. one of my best ever audio purchases.

i am continuously upping my sacd inventory but wont go exclusive for the reason mentioned above. AND there is vinyl! music on dvd is another nice item but dual disc isnt for me.

...regards...tr

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Certainly not.

Almost all interesting music is found on redbook cds and nothing else. At least the music that interests me...

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I might have gone for SACD, because I'm as much of a hardware junkie as most, but on the advice of Sam Tellig I tried Musical Fidelity xRay CD player and the accompanying Tube buffer. My Red Book stuff never sounded so good. No incentive to leave vinyl and Redbook behind and switch.

There are, I think, a number or reasons that SACD hasn't progressed, but vastly improved Redbook players by a number of manufacturers is a really important one.

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I think redbook (16/44.1) can sound just as good with the right equipment. Non-OS DACs anyone?

I will stick to redbook for at least a few more years.

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when i got my sony ns500v, i was pleased with the SACD sound but as time wore on i realized that my rbcd collection was sounding better than ever on it.

i questioned my 23 yr old daughter if she heard a difference and she said it sounded like someone was in the living room singing with Incubus. she is a non audiophile but is contiguously adjusting her friends' car stereo tone controls because they tend to crank the bass and treble. just because the controls are there, it seems they feel they must use them to their max, as if its a benefit.

there is a lot of buzz stating that DVDPs dont sound good on rbcd but that hasnt been my experience here. seems like a cheeeeep sony SACDp is a bargain.

i still feel like SACD is worth seeking and i havent fooled myself into thinking that i would go all sacd. i have plenty of RBCDs and more than plenty LPs. SACD is the promise of the future of digital reproduction.

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I have a dCS transport and DAC that play SACD as well as redbook. I have bought several SACD titles but I find myself buying by label rather than format. A red book CD by Chesky or Mapleshade can sound better than 80% of the SACD product out there. Production values mean more than format. We all should buy from the small labels that place an emphasis on sound AND quality of performance. I need both. I wouldn't want to hear Itzhak Perlman play a violin concerto on a toy violin. I don't want to hear good music on a compressed, equalized, reverbed, multi-tracked CD either.

My favorites (either SACD or Redbook) : Chesky, Mapleshade, Opus 3, APO, Fone, FIM, Sonoma (new). Acoustic Sounds carries them all.

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No. There just aren't that many desirable titles at fair prices.

I have a universal player (Pioneer Elite DV-47Ai) and I still have hope for hi-rez, but it just ain't happenin' yet. As far as 2-channel though, I think CD is plenty good enough; at least for my ears and system. And the multi-channel potential of hi-rez has mostly been squandered on fake, gimmicky "stage mixes".

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Roger,

In Asia, aside from Japan, Hong Kong is the most prolific SACD-issuing market. Most of the SACD titles released there, including those from Hong Kong Warner Music, are from local artists. Titles with more international appeal include....

Kenny G: Live (HK Arista)

Air Supply: Definitive Collection (HK Arista)

Soundtrack to "Sound of Music" (HK BMG)

Sarah Brightman: Time To Say Goodbye (HK EMI)

Sarah Brightman: Luna (HK EMI)

Sarah Brightman: Eden (HK EMI)

Peter Malick Group featuring Norah Jones: New York City (Koch)

Sonny Rollins: Way Out West (multi-channel hybrid from Naxos)

Almost of these are purchased through Hong Kong ebay. They averaged about US$18.00/each. Titles such as the ones from Sarah Brightman are available from US e-tailer like yesasia.com.

Aside from those mentioned above, I picked up SACD releases that are not necessarily Hong Kong releases, but are not available state-side....such as "The Best of" from Simple Minds (2 SACDs from US$22.00 + shipping), Mark Knopfler's "Shangri-La", etc....

The SACD market there is still growing; China just released its first multi-channel hybrid SACD and a new Crystal Gayle compilation SACD is coming. However, new SACD titles from Hong Kong/China/Taiwan are no longer being added to the database at sa-cd.net. Instead, I will submit those additions to superaudio-cd.com, a site run by Sony Europe.

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No way !

"gromit" is correct. There is just much better music available via PCM than on those 4 letter varieties. While we are shaving letters, there is more still available on Lp and the prices get better as you remove the number of letters of the formats too!
-Bill

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Thank you Soundboy. It is very helpful info on SACD.

I found Krell SACD Standard is very satisfying, though I would get dcs P8i if the cost were not so high.

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Nah, there isn't hardly anything on SACD that I would want. A few reissues sure, but there isn't any new music coming out on hi-rez format that I would buy. I don't see anything happening here. It's a good thing that redbook digital improved and is getting better. These other formats have been going nowhere slowly for a very long time......

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I did the same as you. After Sam Tellig's review, I added a MF tube interface to my Simaudio Nova and the improvement in my CD's was astounding, especially w/my passive volume controller [Placette]. I have totally ignored the entire hi-rez scene.

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CD is just fine. SACD will die a natural death.

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Not yet but soon I may be -as long as the prices of SACDs keep dropping. I'm unlikely to purchase an SACD unless it's discounted to the price of a normal redbook or lower.

I don't even have a dedicated SACD player but I appreciate how refined the redbook layer in hybrid SACDs are. However, it's not always the case. Sometimes, SACDs perform worse than the dedicated redbook release.

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I did the same as you. After Sam Tellig's review, I added a MF tube interface to my Simaudio Nova and the improvement in my CD's was astounding, especially w/my passive volume controller [Placette]. I have totally ignored the entire hi-rez scene.

Same here. Adding the tube output buffer does have a smoothing effect. However this seems to have worked for all but the worst recorded pop CDs, where a sharp piercing treble still finds its way past the tubes.

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Pat,

My local Best Buy offers almost all SACD titles at $15.00 or less. You can also check ebay....I picked up the 2 disc "Best of" from Simple Minds for $21.99 + shipping; circuitcity.com wants over $50.00 for the same thing. Another way to get inexpensive SACD is yourmusic.com (it's run by BMG), where every CD/SACD is just $5.99 + tax (shipping included)....go check out the details there.

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When you get an SACD player you will be shocked how much better those 20 SACDs sound than your redbook CD! I only buy SACDs now, Redbooks just don't do it for me.

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I purchase SACD whenever possible. Probably have a couple hundred, mostly classical and jazz. But a few of the rock SACDs are great fun, such as the Bryan Ferry Boys and Girls. Remarkable sonics and the multi-channel effects, though certainly not purist, are very entertaining.

I am using a Bel Canto PL1 and, while it does a great job with RBCD, the SACD and DVD sonics can be far superior.

I still buy a fair number of RBCD, and wish more was in SACD.

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Having spent months listening to only SACD/DVD-A after the purchase of a new universal player I finally threw in a favorite RBCD. OUCH! What the hell has happened to my system? BRIGHT - BRIGHT - BRIGHT!!! Actually took a while for it to dawn on me just what the problem was. If you claim you can't hear the difference between RBCD vs. SACD/DVD-A...You haven't been listening to Hi-Rez enough! Sure one can quible over the subleties, but the difference in brightness, to my ear, is dramatic, and on some of my favorite RBCD's renders them almost unlistenable. Now as for the cost of Hi-Rez and availability, well that's a rant you don't want to get me started on!

RG

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Having spent months listening to only SACD/DVD-A after the purchase of a new universal player I finally threw in a favorite RBCD. OUCH! What the hell has happened to my system? BRIGHT - BRIGHT - BRIGHT!!! Actually took a while for it to dawn on me just what the problem was. If you claim you can't hear the difference between RBCD vs. SACD/DVD-A...You haven't been listening to Hi-Rez enough! Sure one can quible over the subleties, but the difference in brightness, to my ear, is dramatic, and on some of my favorite RBCD's renders them almost unlistenable. Now as for the cost of Hi-Rez and availability, well that's a rant you don't want to get me started on!

RG

Yes, the difference between SACD and RBCD is often dramatic. Even if you believe the difference always arises from re-mastering, the difference is still there! Unfortunately, in a few cases the RBCD mastering is better. However, I buy the SACD every time, if it is available.

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Quote:

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Having spent months listening to only SACD/DVD-A after the purchase of a new universal player I finally threw in a favorite RBCD. OUCH! What the hell has happened to my system? BRIGHT - BRIGHT - BRIGHT!!! Actually took a while for it to dawn on me just what the problem was. If you claim you can't hear the difference between RBCD vs. SACD/DVD-A...You haven't been listening to Hi-Rez enough! Sure one can quible over the subleties, but the difference in brightness, to my ear, is dramatic, and on some of my favorite RBCD's renders them almost unlistenable. Now as for the cost of Hi-Rez and availability, well that's a rant you don't want to get me started on!

RG

Yes, the difference between SACD and RBCD is often dramatic. Even if you believe the difference always arises from re-mastering, the difference is still there! Unfortunately, in a few cases the RBCD mastering is better. However, I buy the SACD every time, if it is available.

For completeness, I should add that in a significant number of cases SACD and RBCD sound the same to me. Those are presumably cases in which the mastering and the recording resolution are also the same. But, the SACD is better often enough to keep me buying them.

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It depends

As a mainly classical listener, nowadays I seek out SACDs for large-scale orchestral and choral works. This is because of the SACD's multi-channel capabilities; multi-channel really adds something to these types of program -- you move from the doorway to the concert hall into a good orchestra seat, (at least with the better recordings).

On the other hand the much more limited choice and higher price of SACD means that I don't buy many for chamber music or jazz.

Apart from the multi-channel aspect I don't find the SACD necessarily better than the best CDs on my system and to my ears.

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