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Lotsa WATTS, big drivers, how can it be any good? It's digital also, too modern, to 21sy century.....and shouldn't a computer monitor be a round 9" DuMont?
As set up by the manufacturer in Michael Fremer's listening room for our review, there were some problems -- see www.stereophile.com/standloudspeakers/608cab/index5.html -- though the speaker does show enormous promise.
I am still trying to get my head around the fact that the presentation mentioned is the US dealer premier when Cabasse's PR guy told us back in the spring that the speaker was available from more than 5 US dealers and thus qualified for a review. I am thinking it will be a while before we publish any more Cabasse reviews.
John Atkinson
Editor, Stereophile
Good, then you have space to do a Legacy Helix.....which I see is in this months ad space.....3 amps per side in addition to the built in subwoofer amp in each side......You will need some additional AC outlets too. Hmmm, let's try 6 AVA P500 OmegaStar EX 1400=W each in mono, CRANKIN....
What about BC Acoustique speakers? Are those any good? I don't remember seeing a review of them in Stereophile. Is this another case of the Zu's?
I've only seen the review - quite interesting. And lots of money.
The review offers a good amount of technical info as food for thought. I'm about finished reading it and want to think about it a bit.
I did hear them at HE2007, they were playing drum music at a VERY LOUD level! I was sitting front row and could see the woofers moving what looked like .5" if not more. The fellow there would not answer any of my questions, just looked at me with his mouth shut tight, LOL! And I was wearing a business suit, ... odd. I think my first question was are they linear phase, perhaps he didn't want to give out any technical info.
The music was not to my taste. I could see visually that the speakers were not even symmetrically placed. Placement was obviously sloppy as were many other speakers. They obviously had dynamics, but it was difficult to judge much else. I don't trust listening at shows, really have to have them at home and spend time with them to draw any valid conclusions.
Pete B.
Hi John,
Interesting review, I'll try to comment when I have some time. I wonder if they've done any modifications so that they can claim that this is at least a revision to the previously available units? Curious as to how many they've sold.
Pete B.
Regarding the initial question of what are some of the issues with digital filters: This covers some issues such as Dither, Quantization Noise, Limit cycles, etc:
http://www.rane.com/note157.html
Pete B.
Hi All,
there is no way to stop this imbecile posting ???
I'm sic to find his trace everywhere in the forum !!!
You All certainly know who is meant.....
Pete, a nice easy to read primer. A good start. Thanks.
Do you have a citation to an article that deals more with phase shift and comparisons to analog circuits?
I'm not sure of exactly what you're looking for. You mentioned a few things previously about phase shift in 6 dB/oct XO's and now digital vs. analog. Is all of this with regard to speaker design or analog vs. digital in general?
The main thing with digital, especially in the early years, is that you have to band limit the signal in order to avoid aliasing. This is called an anti-aliasing filter and in 1X sampled systems it is very close to the audio band. However, we can do a lot better now, by first oversampling the incoming data, 4X allows us to put the filter 4X higher in frequency obviously, then do most of the antialias filtering digitally with linear phase filters, then downsample to 1X. This has no disadvantages and it is a way to get better quality even within the constraints of the 1X format.
Not sure if this answers your question. The very steep analog filter for a 1X system does cause phase shift in the audio band, however I doubt that it is audible. More audible is probably the fact that no matter how steep, there can be times when it is not steep enough. Higher sampling rates and steep digital filters should make this a non-issue and also solve the phase shift problem within the audio band.
Pete B.
More analog v digital in general, but phase shift in filters/crossovers seemed like a good place to start.
This I understand.
If we use a digital filter in the same 1x system, do we also necessarily get phase shift?
I am trying to get a handle on whether there are the same types of inherent trade-offs using digital DSP as there are using their analog counterparts. Are the trade offs necessary in analog similar to or the same as in digital?
As an example, if a steep analog filter causes phase shift does a steep digital filter also cause phase shift? That is, is phase shift simply a consequence of a steep filter regardless of how the filter is implemented?
They're the ugliest speakers I have ever seen. Down right butt ugly.
3 amps per side? Thats like only 72 watts per side into 8 ohms. Pretty weak for you DUP.
Brace for the flamming.
Relax, I know what you meant.
Hardly ugly, they are furniture perfection, with sound to match.This ain't your father's 5" Emerson http://legacyaudio.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=65&Itemid=195
I wasn't referring to those that look like spider eyes.
I was referring to the ones that look like an eyeball display you look at while waiting for the doctor to finally show up in the examination room. I always get those models torn apart and just enough time to figure out how to get all back together before he gets back.
Good one!!!!!!
They look like alien eye balls from a Si-Fi movie.
A digital DIY design, nice work:
http://www.diyaudio.com/forums/showthread.php?postid=1586573#post1586573
Looks mighty fine also:
http://img.villagephotos.com/p/2005-7/1050288/tism173.jpg
Pete B.