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Cultural Cognition of Scientific Consensus

Cultural Cognition of Scientific Consensus http://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=1549444#

Perhaps of interest in the context of our past discussion of anthropogenic global warming.

As I have observed, whether people accept AGW is often a issue of their pre-existing world view and political beliefs. I find this odd and frankly disturbing.

On February 7, 2010 the Cultural Cognition Project at Yale released a research paper on exactly this subject.

From the abstract:

"Why do members of the public disagree - sharply and persistently - about facts on which expert scientists largely agree?"

"We designed a study to test a distinctive explanation: the cultural cognition of scientific consensus. The

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They need one arm of the study to include subjects hearing the information on an AM radio.

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As a scientist myself (retired), I noticed something more than a little troubling in the Yale post...." We decided to design a study to test a distinctive explanation: The cultural cognition of scientific consensus." If that's what passes for science, then our children and our children's children are doomed Must be nice to design tests that seek to justify ones bias...can't go wrong finding the answer you want that way I guess!

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Must be nice to design tests that seek to justify ones bias...can't go wrong finding the answer you want that way I guess!

Now that's an interesting remark, I guess you wish to ban science entirely, since testability is the basic requirement of science, and making the test the mark of a practicing scientist.

You do understand the design of a test to determine if (or if not) a hypothesis is accurate, yes?

By your standards, a test to see "does the electron have negative charge" would be self-serving.

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If one sets out to find the answer they are looking for, they will surely find it. Deliberate justification of a certain aspect of social psychology and it's influence on the cognitive decision making of someone regarding AGW is a case of predeterminate investigatory science. Monsterquest, Ghosthunters and UFO stories share the same juvenile methodology. Science seeks truth, no matter what the scientists bias may be. Any test must allow for at least one alternative result, otherwise it is not a test ....it's junk science j j Followers of Eugenics and White Supremacy also dabbled in such forced studies to justify their atrocities and socio political world views Sometimes the obvious answer isn't what an elite self important professor want's to hear. Consensus does not a truth make..it exists between the bias, fudged data and selective reasoning.

jj, did you put that homepage together yourself? A little self congratulatory isn't it? I'm just sayin' Reminded me of a Seinfeld episode...the 3rd person one

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If one sets out to find the answer they are looking for, they will surely find it.


Sorry, there are many (perhaps not published as such) experiments that simply do not support that claim. You may not SEE these reported as such, because the various people finding such outcomes, myself included, tend to go on to find out just what REALLY is going on. In fact, when an experiment does NOT provide the expected results, people tend to get excited because SOMETHING NEW has come up, and that, frankly, is when the most interesting stuff happens. Well, and sometimes it's just a bug, too. Confirm, confirm, confirm...

Your knee-jerk reaction is, at least on the surface, quite unjustified.

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Deliberate justification of a certain aspect of social psychology and it's influence on the cognitive decision making of someone regarding AGW is a case of predeterminate investigatory science.


You do realize you're reading like a parody of the response described in the paper, don't you? You are simply rejecting the results BECAUSE THEY DO NOT MATCH YOUR BIAS. Your objections argue at least as much for the paper's results as they do for your conclusion.

Let me ask you now, do you actually have the scientific chops to evaluate a test of the kind described in the paper? Do you?

If not, where do you get off making the absolute statement quoted above? Yes, you are entitled to an opinion. No, despite frog, May and Geoff's claims, all opinions are NOT ALIKE and they are NOT EQUAL.

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Any test must allow for at least one alternative result, otherwise it is not a test .


So, in what fashion did the test in question not allow for falsification?

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jj, did you put that homepage together yourself? A little self congratulatory isn't it? I'm just sayin' Reminded me of a Seinfeld episode...the 3rd person one

No, actually, it's rather understated, and everything it says is easily confirmable in the public record.

Now, what we see here is a dishonest, extremely offensive personal attack of a sort that requires full and absolute justification on your part, therefore you SHALL state exactly what you regard as "self-congratulatory". You will present testable, verifiable evidence for your claim, as well.

You WILL comply with this now, won't you? Just like you will explain exactly how the test in the OP did not allow for falsification. And about as soon, yes?

If you fail to do so, then you are stipulating that you have falsely attacked either the authors of the paperm myself, or both.

Given your apparently unwarranted dismisal of the paper in the OP, I have my doubts.

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You keep erroneously assuming that scientists agree on man-made global warming. So, you are a good example. Basically, it is displacement. It's an ego-defense mechanism. Last I heard psychology was part of the science department.

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You keep erroneously assuming that scientists agree on man-made global warming.

Really, now, where did I say that?

Hint: I didn't. You're a liar. Again.

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You keep erroneously assuming that scientists agree on man-made global warming.

I don't know if this is directed at me or j_j.

I didn't make any personal statements in this thread on that topic, I just quoted the abstract.

There have been surveys however if this is what interests you. For example, Surveyed Scientists Agree Global Warming is Real

- survey of 3,146 scientists in climatology and other earth sciences

- 90 percent of the scientists agreed mean global temperatures risen compared to pre-1800s levels

- 82 percent agreed human activity has been a significant factor in changing mean global temperatures
(97 percent of climatologists agreed with this statement)

"The debate on the authenticity of global warming and the role played by human activity is largely nonexistent among those who understand the nuances and scientific basis of long-term climate processes."

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jj, the self congratulation part refers to the fact that I think it takes a special person to post unsolicited acolades about ones self (opinion only-I believe your content). My science background is in medical research. Vaccines and diagnostics mainly. Chemistry and anthropology were my minor fields of study. That abstract shows so much bias (which obviously blinds you as well)...it's freakin ridiculous! It is the unspoken and unwritten actions (read techniques) of the researchers that influence politicaly motivated science. Anyone can dress up a pig and make it look like a Harvard graduate. Were never going to agree obviously, so I don't see the point in a closer dissection of the study. It's hard to get past that kind of drivel, but perhaps I'll go over it in more detail when I have a chance. My perspective on the AGW stuff is that it ignores way to much and selectively cherry picks and distills out the data that supports it! So many dramatic climatological events have occured on our planet throughout it's history. They will continue to occur despite our best or worst intentions. Let's concentrate on doing what we can to keep our environment as healthy as possible without handing over all of our treasure and soveriegn rights to any "well meaning" agency or government. Crippling our economy for a bunch of politicaly motivated scientists is not prudent...in fact, it is counter productive. Let's e-mail each other back in say 20years or so and see where the issue stands. FYI, common sense is not taught....anyone can have it, even those with lesser degrees and accomplishments. In other words, some people can smell a pile at 100 paces.

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jj, the self congratulation part refers to the fact that I think it takes a special person to post unsolicited acolades about ones self (opinion only-I believe your content).

Uh, what ARE you talking about?

My so-called "web site" which consists of a simple CV of factual material, publications, and a variety of whatever other links my spouse thinks I should have up at the time...

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That abstract shows so much bias (which obviously blinds you as well)...it's freakin ridiculous!

Hmm, could you be more specific?

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I thought it was Yale grads that you could dress up a pig to resemble.

I think you guys need to climb into the Octagon and hash this out - two audiophiles enter, one audiophile leaves.

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The problem is I would probably wind up liking jj if I met him in person

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Understood...glad you have a wife who likes to blow your horn

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Oh my God...the leftist laundry list of topics they focused in on jj. I think this is a left coast/right coast thing. Let's step back, switch gears and go get a beer...ever hear George Rochberg's work?

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The problem is I would probably wind up liking jj if I met him in person

I would like to throw a dodge ball right in his face.

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I would like to throw a dodge ball right in his face.

dlb, you don't know Lamont yet. That means he'd like to have sex with J_J.

Besides, we know IRS employees throw like a Massachussetts Presidential nominee.

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The problem is I would probably wind up liking jj if I met him in person

I would like to throw a dodge ball right in his face.

That's your highest praise, I think.

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Understood...glad you have a wife who likes to blow your horn

More to the point, I'm married to a HTML and document processing person. I won't let her "jazz up" my site, much to her annoyance.

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