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Cell Phone Tracking

I am sure most folk have read that the new iPhone tracks its owners every step and keeps a record.

Fewer might know that the device is sending that data back to Apple who uses it to create data bases.

[url]http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1000142405274870398370457627710172345361...

Even fewer might know that a lot of apps on other phones including the android operating system does the same thing, though not to the manufacturer.

[url]http://blogs.wsj.com/wtk-mobile/[/url]

Now think about this. Here are just a couple of the things such a data base might be used for...

1. Stalking...if a stalker gets the data he knows your life
2. Identity theft..the info would be worth a fortune to those folk
3. Marketing....

The last is what I think Apple is using or plans to use this for. Imagine if a shop in your local city had access to a list of potential clients that actually visit their area and already visit other shops like theirs! Now take it a step further...what if the data could be used to automatically send an advert to the phone if the owner is in the area?

now consider what the government could do with such a data base....

I think this is a very dangerous practice. The idea that third parties can make money without my permission from my phones is odious....

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I agree in theory

but could care less in practice. I mean, my life is average. Sometimes even boring. But the idea of being tracked crawls all over me. That is just wrong. It is also of little practical significance to me. But it IS wrong.

Kinda like discriminating against gays. Wrong, but it does not effect me directly.

So I am against both!

Trey

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Imagine you have a creditor,

Imagine you have a creditor, or an ex spouse, or a flat nut interested in you...would you want that person to have detailed data on where you are at all times??

There is no legitimate reason for any company to sell you stuff and then extract data from it without your permission or knowledge except to provide a new revenue source for that company...

It is like buying a house and finding out the bedroom is wired for video and sound as the builder is also in the porn business.

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Yes, The location services

Yes, The location services feature of these phones is a catch 22. If you leave it turned on you have essentially pinned a homing beacon to your ass. Most consumers don't RTFM that is provided with their new phone and just end up leaving all the settings on their Defaults. This Location services feature is enabled by default, at least on the iphone.

One other thing this feature does is tag any photo taken with the built in camera on these phones with GPS coordinates (long/lat). If the unsuspecting consumer then posts that picture on the web somewhere these GPS coordinates become public property. All someone needs to do then is come across your posted picture thru a google search, right click it and do a "save as" to their hard-drive. If they then look at the properties of the file they can see the associated GPS info along with date/time, camera type, picture resolution..etc. If your lucky, and your new friend really likes the picture enough they can stop by and tell you about it. The way they find out where you live is to open up google maps and input this GPS info taken from your posted picture and BAM, they are given a nice overhead view of your house and sometimes even the exact address.

Google and Apple like to watch the unsuspecting sheep via their cool toys

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And while I am complaining....

My phone is a Droid II global. It came loaded with a few score apps I had no use for or desire to use. They cannot be removed...Imagine your PC loaded with crap programs you cannot remove. How long would that last. Now, some of those apps themselves send data to third parties if (I hope) they are activated.

This industry practice of selling a product with built in involuntary or secret revenue streams to third parties needs to be ended. Would folk put up with having their car usable as a taxi b the dealer after sale or a PC that turned on its camera for the use of a third party after sale and without permission...what makes the phone different?

Put another way, Apple is stealing...they are taking information of value from product of other parties without their permission or knowledge and may very well be reselling the data to 3rd parties.

That is unsat and should be illegal

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But it's not just iPhones that are keeping track of their users.

Apple's iPhone 3G, iPhone 3GS, the iPhone 4, and iPad models are also keeping track of consumers whereabouts. Mac computers running Snow Leopard and even Windows computers running Safari 5 are being watched.

Read more: http://www.ibtimes.com/articles/137432/20110423/apple-we-must-have-compr...

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More on the mess

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1000142405274870454760457626326167984881...

I like this bit

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After analyzing more than 16 million records of call date, time and position, the researchers determined that, taken together, people's movements appeared to follow a mathematical pattern. The scientists said that, with enough information about past movements, they could forecast someone's future whereabouts with 93.6% accuracy....

....Even though the cellphone databases are described as anonymous, they can contain revealing personal details when paired with other data. A recent lawsuit in Germany offered a rare glimpse of routine phone tracking. Malte Spitz, a Green party politician, sued Deutsche Telekom to see his own records as part of an effort by Mr. Spitz to highlight privacy issues.

In a six-month period, the phone company had recorded Mr. Spitz's location more than 35,000 times, according to data Mr. Spitz released in March. By combining the phone data with public records, the news site Zeit Online reconstructed his daily travels for months.

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scary
JIMV wrote:

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1000142405274870454760457626326167984881...

I like this bit

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After analyzing more than 16 million records of call date, time and position, the researchers determined that, taken together, people's movements appeared to follow a mathematical pattern. The scientists said that, with enough information about past movements, they could forecast someone's future whereabouts with 93.6% accuracy....

....Even though the cellphone databases are described as anonymous, they can contain revealing personal details when paired with other data. A recent lawsuit in Germany offered a rare glimpse of routine phone tracking. Malte Spitz, a Green party politician, sued Deutsche Telekom to see his own records as part of an effort by Mr. Spitz to highlight privacy issues.

In a six-month period, the phone company had recorded Mr. Spitz's location more than 35,000 times, according to data Mr. Spitz released in March. By combining the phone data with public records, the news site Zeit Online reconstructed his daily travels for months.

What a perfect time to parallel this with the release of Ayn Rand's Atlas Shrugged movie release.

scary.

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The latest...customers sue

"Two Apple customers have filed a lawsuit accusing the Cupertino, California, company of committing violations of computer-fraud laws by recording location data of iPhone and iPad customers."

http://www.wired.com/gadgetlab/2011/04/iphone-customers-lawsuit-data/

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Thanks Jim

for spelling it out to me in terms I could understand. While I do not care that my cell phone monitors me, I sure do not want the cast of characters you mentioned monitoring me!

Point made and accepted.

Trey

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Latest on the issue

Smartphone data anxieties rise

By Joseph Menn in San Francisco

Published: May 2 2011 20:37 | Last updated: May 2 2011 20:37

http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/e0a293d6-74ed-11e0-a4b7-00144feabdc0.html#axzz...

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