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Biocentrism: Can it change the past? Does it allow for immortality?

"Consider an experiment that was recently published in the journal Science showing that scientists could retroactively change something that had happened in the past. Particles had to decide how to behave when they hit a beam splitter. Later on, the experimenter could turn a second switch on or off. It turns out that what the observer decided at that point, determined what the particle did in the past."

- Robert Lanza, M.D.

http://integral-options.blogspot.com/2009/12/does-biocentrism-allow-for-immortality.html

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Hey, Michigan!

I myself have travelled here from the past, so I figure anything is possible.

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On a related note: Does a Star Trek Transposter take someone apart and send the parts somewhere to reassemble, or does it send information for reassembly from 'de novo' matter at the destination?

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Hey, Michigan!

I myself have travelled here from the past, so I figure anything is possible.

_____

On a related note: Does a Star Trek Transposter take someone apart and send the parts somewhere to reassemble, or does it send information for reassembly from 'de novo' matter at the destination?

Of course, all this hinges on the failure to realize that the "observation" occurs when the beam splitter splits the beam.

Oh well. Too bad. Move along, move along.

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I myself have travelled here from the past, so I figure anything is possible.

I am travelling steadily into the future, as I write this.


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On a related note: Does a Star Trek Transposter take someone apart and send the parts somewhere to reassemble, or does it send information for reassembly from 'de novo' matter at the destination?

Information only, which means that the Star Trek Transporter actually kills the original thing it is scanning and transmitting. Which raises the question: both in the TV shows and the moves, where do they put all dead meat?

The scanning and tranmitting of a human, BTW, would probably take at least a million years, even if you used lossy compression for the data.

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I myself have travelled here from the past, so I figure anything is possible.

I am travelling steadily into the future, as I write this.


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On a related note: Does a Star Trek Transposter take someone apart and send the parts somewhere to reassemble, or does it send information for reassembly from 'de novo' matter at the destination?

Information only, which means that the Star Trek Transporter actually kills the original thing it is scanning and transmitting. Which raises the question: both in the TV shows and the moves, where do they put all dead meat?

The scanning and tranmitting of a human, BTW, would probably take at least a million years, even if you used lossy compression for the data.

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Ah!

So!

Thank you!

I always thought one key to avoiding premature mortality would be to have yourself transported each week, and save your data in a flash drive, so if you get killed during the week, you are 'backed up' and would only lose a few days of your life when they reconstituted you.

Great for cancer screening, etc, too.

To get more work done, you could make a few dozen JA's or Wes Phillipses or Stephens.

Yeah, that's the ticket. I'll get right on it.

As for time travel, I'm stuck at 1 sec/sec for my body, but have only been aging at one third that rate for maturity. If I could only make by body age as slowly!

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I myself have travelled here from the past, so I figure anything is possible.

I am travelling steadily into the future, as I write this.


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On a related note: Does a Star Trek Transporter take someone apart and send the parts somewhere to reassemble, or does it send information for reassembly from 'de novo' matter at the destination?

Information only, which means that the Star Trek Transporter actually kills the original thing it is scanning and transmitting. Which raises the question: both in the TV shows and the moves, where do they put all dead meat?

The scanning and tranmitting of a human, BTW, would probably take at least a million years, even if you used lossy compression for the data.

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Christian Bale and Hugh Jackman in the film 'The Prestige', they answer that specific question. Bowie makes a magnificent Tesla.

Larry Niven answers the question of aging and 'fixes' in the 1976 novel 'A world Out of Time'.

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I always thought one key to avoiding premature mortality would be to have yourself transported each week, and save your data in a flash drive, so if you get killed during the week, you are 'backed up' and would only lose a few days of your life when they reconstituted you.

There are 3 magnificent sci-fi novels by English writer Richard Morgan based on that premise. Start with the first, "Altered Carbon." The richness of Morgan's writing and imagination rivals Neil Gaiman's.

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Hey, Michigan!

I myself have travelled here from the past, so I figure anything is possible.

_____

On a related note: Does a Star Trek Transposter take someone apart and send the parts somewhere to reassemble, or does it send information for reassembly from 'de novo' matter at the destination?

Of course, all this hinges on the failure to realize that the "observation" occurs when the beam splitter splits the beam.

Oh well. Too bad. Move along, move along.

Our biggest problem when it comes to the descriptors and thus the mental connectivity to the idea of time, with reference to the idea of 'motional-flow' or "the action of the human motion (activity) of the advancement of science and thus, hopefully of man as well- is tied to a mathematical description for the manipulation of the given 'thing'.

In this case, our current descriptor for time does not involve the specific idea of flow, or the quanta of time. We utilize the scalar or the 'point', but we do not address the action or flow. I have, in another post addressed the source of that mathematical failure, and thus failure of human idealization, which leads directly to an inability to mechanically manipulate the given item (through science or math, but the human reality of manipulation of unknown/unsubstantiated phenomena remains as real as ever). In this case, to manipulate time, dimensionality, and due to the complexity and integration, gravitation and the fundamentals of molecular manipulation get onto the same list.

Scalar: a) A quantity, such as mass, length, or speed, that is completely specified by its magnitude and has no direction.

Quantum: a)The smallest amount of a physical quantity that can exist independently, especially a discrete quantity of electromagnetic radiation.

Quanta: Plural of Quantum

In Maxwell's full equations, we address the specifics of the spiral or curl of wave-particle and specifically address the quandary of wave-particle and it's origins in 2-d 'infinite' sized oscillating stress fields with infinite energies (relative to our particular vantage point)..and their integrational 'point' or blend point. When they (minimal two fields) blend they create a unidirectional but spun point of energy that appears to oscillate and thus as the observed duality of wave-particle, 'spooky action at a distance', incredible stability and near infinite energy (when the given spin/spiral point is torn apart through resonant or brute force application of energy). This also gives us the observed stability of the given particle and the explanation for thermodynamic function and the explanation for the various phenomena that violates such. The explanation for capacitance and inductance re their function in 'time', ie, their 'lead' or 'lag', and the next point, which s the observation of voltage and mass as their true state..which is that of a differential of molecular polarization differentials, which is the same as pH in chemical terms. As well, 'perfect' current flow is separate in time and the time flow in that perfect current is uniform and identical in that given space or area, as it is tied to the 2-d stress field from which half of the equation for it emanates or originates. Thus the explanation for the quandary of superconductivity and it's exclusivity of magnetic fields.

If you take what I have just typed and place it against all known and unknown (unexplained) phenomena of all potential or known parameters, up to and including all observed human situations (ghosts, dreams, psychic phenomena, etc), it will work without a single misstep of any kind, and no mystery of such a nature will exist, they will all be explained, in their entirety. Every human observation, scientific or otherwise, will be explained.

The question then becomes: can you handle it -or not. We gets to be the monkey in the middle. Thus agreed upon, human influenced 'reality', as a residual vectoral resonance from this given resonant sheeting integrational mode. (mirror dimensions, different flow, different rates of flow, etc) And on and on.

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The point of the experiment that Michigan raises, has specifically been encountered and dealt with on experimental grounds for DECADES in MANIFOLD experiments in alternative research.

One place, or volume, that explores this and other topics insofar as scientific record or properly designed tests that have been executed, is recorded in the book 'The Field', by Lynne McTaggart.

The explanations and explorations required by and for the human mind to be able to grasp all of this can and will be quite traumatic, at best - which is why most instinctively reject it. With much vehemence and vitriol, I might add..

Thus it is best that one be thrown into it with little to no prior preparation. The point being that the minimal change in the math with the properly stated equations from Maxwell is only the tip of the iceberg,and the unfolding of that will, by association and necessity, completely transform the mental state of the observer at the most base levels. In psychological terms, this means total transformation of the self.

As some wise gangbanger in LA once said, '..and everytin... be everytin.'

How do you get to the point of a current event seemingly manipulating a given point in the past?

Well, what about that spiral loop phenomena of the 2-d stress fields at their interactive? Thus creating the observed particle-wave phenomena? Thus creating the unidirectionality of time, and thus creating our resonant bodied observational point or 'dimension'? Thus the direct connection of past-resent-and future..but 'future' being capable of being manipulated?

In any view of a dimensional adjunct from which our observational platform, or dimension is 'erected', there will be a mirrored compliment. One where our weak forces are the strong and our strong forces are the weak. The point of juxtaposition is literally the crux or the meeting point of the minimal two 2-d fields. Thus, in the mirror universe or dimension, thought and intent are a strong force and weak in 'ours'. We have a direct and connected counterpart in the 'other' space. That much becomes obvious.

(To understand how we get to our own particular resonance or vantage point in this complex oscillating 2-d stress field interactive that creates the given particle wave (observational effect only) aspect, we can look at harmonics and subharmonics and how we manipulated them to create other waveforms and resonances. Our dimensional viewpoint (time, reality, matter, etc) is a specific vector and is a secondary resonant function. The primary signature of the structure or skein being current and voltage. Remember - current is flow, or a certain given aspect of uniformity in one of the 2-d stress field interactives of the given set of 'particles'...and voltage is the descriptor for polarization differentials.)

Why? well it has been clearly observed and noted (and supported in manifold ways in scientific literature, repeated, etc) that in this vantage point or universe, that thought and human observation can indeed determine the state of a particle: The original Hitachi experiment on particle duality and the human observation making a specific and repeatable change in it's determinacy. (in year 1980, IIRC) This is exactly what Michigan is talking about, in this given different and new experiment-and it's results. Same-same. So.. we can manipulate the state of a particle by and in human observational terms, as Hitachi so clearly illustrated. No physical contact, whatever. Something else is going on. A weak force,indeed, but proven to exist. Acceptance of that is the heart of the human issue.

What you will find, if you go there...is that there will be no room whatsoever for any capacity for human ignorance or selfishness, of any kind. All negative emotions and connotations that we can be and have been manipulated by and through - have to be grappled with and erased in the given specific human psyche. this means that the emotional basis for and of one's entire mode of existence, from birth on up will face the issue of complete transformation.

Can you handle it?

Most will say, "uh...not today, I gotta go change a diaper, get ready for work, and prepare that report", and ignore the living fuck out of this 'facing of actual reality'...as hard as they possibly can.

Getting humanity to turn and face the change is a literal war - Of and with the given individual, and the mass of humanity.

What a mess.

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There are 3 magnificent sci-fi novels by English writer Richard Morgan based on that premise. Start with the first, "Altered Carbon." The richness of Morgan's writing and imagination rivals Neil Gaiman's.

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That is high praise indeed! Thanks for the recommendation: I had not heard of Richard Morgan, but will add this series to my Christmas wish list!

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The interesting part is that I can walk into any book store, into any library, the Library of congress, even..and state that the vast bulk of all literature of any kind, over 99% of the books in the building are all aimed to the one point, no matter their subject, no matter their contents. The subject of attempting to understand the human ramifications of my last two posts in this thread. The entire building is dedicated to the one single point of 'human struggle', the attempt to understand, in all of it's various voices, colours, and ways. The Buddhists say: 'All honest searches for truth are valid.'

All people in the world are here attempting the single understanding. Yet, when it is presented to them, they can, and usually do - run away. the need to switch from 'fight or flight' animalism as a basis, is thus -pretty darned clear.

Note that there are groups out there who do their damnedest to keep you in thrall to that thinking and existence mode. Note the the vast bulk of American (western) society is aimed squarely in that direction. This was not an act of humanity drifting naturally, but it was and is an active program of purposeful aiming and control of a society.

The question is always one of the given individual allowing themselves the humanity and intelligence to see and understand that, in the face of the intense ostracism of that given individual from all of known society, for having the audacity to pursue truth, integrity, honesty, and humanity - - over that of 'fitting in'.

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