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Best speakers for hard rock/metal

Hi all

Having auditioned a lot of louspeakers, I havent yet found something that gives justice to metal or hard rock, even my currnet set up doesnt.

I own wharfedale diamond 10.5 and marantz pm6003 amp as of now, and i consider them as temporary set up until I find real good speakers for the genre.

So slayer, metallica, lamb of god, korn, system of down fans out there, I need your serious advice on such a set up which captures the reality of metal.

Few contraints are

first- I dont have big bucks..so budget system please

second- my room is smallish 

third- please dont suggest these ones- wharfdale, monitor audio, klipsch, paradigm, psb, mordaunt short, KEF, Quad, JBL, Jamo...I have already heard them..and naaa, didnt like them for metal.

So...waiting for your suggestions

 

 

 

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The Cerwin-Vega XLS-28 takes up no more room than

bookshelf speakers on stands and will rock your world. $600/pair.

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epos.  they're terrific.  i

epos.  they're terrific.  i listen to a ton of rock and metal on an older pair of their bookshelfs and love them.

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thanks for sugggestion, and

thanks for sugggestion, and CV XLS-28 really look cool man.

I have heard that CVs are good for rock. how do they perform at low levels, i heard that they have to be loud enough to get best out of them. whats your views on this

and which stereo amplifier do you recommend for them??

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thanks beaner

which model of Epos do you recommend??..will definitely audition EPOS, heard a lot about them..

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epos

i've got the els-3s.  they were like $330 at full retail years ago.  one the best deals ever.  i've heard a lot of good things about the els-8s.  the 'm' series also gets good reviews, though i've never heard them.

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hey jackfish..thanks for

hey jackfish..thanks for sugggestion, and CV XLS-28 really look cool man. I have heard that CVs are good for rock. how do they perform at low levels, i heard that they have to be loud enough to get best out of them. whats your views on this and which stereo amplifier do you recommend for them??

(reposting above msg as it seems mr. jackfish missed the message)

@beaner: els-8 seems a good fit into my room as well as buget and my marantz amp too..though i have this thing about floorstanders...anyways I will give epos a listen and decide..I wish they rock..

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The Cerwin Vega loudspeakers I've heard

didn't change character much between being played soft or loud.  An Anthem Integrated 225 amplifier is a very good amplifier, but might be more than you are willing to pay and unnecessary for your small room.  But if you go with NAD or Cambridge Audio you will be about up to that price point anyways.

What's wrong with the Marantz? Its 52 wpc or so into 6 Ohms should be plenty with the XLS-28s and a small room.

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The biggest change for me

The biggest change for me listening to rock wasn't the seakers, it was the amp and this was a big surprise.  Once I got a high current amp that had the  current to grab hold of the speaker drivers with an iron fist and had enough energy reserves to never sound compressed, things really really started to rock and things became much more dynamic.  This was back when I went from a Yamaha 100 wpc receiver to seperates.  I got a creek pre amp and a B&K 2 channel amp.  Can't remember the model numbers but I bought them used.  The B&K was 125 wpc but the difference was staggering.  The speakers I had at the time I think were Snell E-III's and soon upgraded them after that.  Not saying that is an issue with what you have, just relating my own experience. Before the B&K, I had always thought it was the speakers that were the issue.

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Well, the Anthem Integrated 225 with about 267 wpc

into 6 Ohms should have enough power to grab hold, iron-fisted, with plenty of energy reserves for those 89.8dB/1w/1m Cerwin Vega XLS-28s.

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@jackfish..marantz is merely

@jackfish..marantz is merely a 45 watter. I dont think 45w would do justice to the xls28. And i heard that there are some clipping issues when lower current amp is used to drive high power rated speakers. Well, within my budget I think I can manage for 80-100 watter amp. Would this be good enough?

@soothsayer..so would you suggest seperates for me??. And have you heard them cerwin vega, just asking out of curiosity

see pals..thing is I dont wanna end up with a system that I keep on analyzing instead of listening to music.It has happened to me once and I dont wanna freak out again..I want atleast a decent system enough to have me sit back and enjoy music for some good time. Later when required I would improve it. Upgrade should be out of improvement not dissappointment. Isnt it..

So your suggestions mean a lot to me..

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Remember that 90 watts will only yield about

3dB more in maximum SPL over 45 watts.  The XLS-28 is really not all that high power rated at 200 watts peak.

You could look into international shipping on Emotiva separates, with the USP-1 preamp and UPA-2 (125 wpc) power amp on sale right now for $759 USD. http://emotiva.com/

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okk..It means I shouldnt

okk..It means I shouldnt spend much on getting high power amps..fair enough dude..

Let me hunt here and there more for amp suitable for them. The emotiva power amp has been sold out on ebay i guess..

I guess its xls 28 then..what say jackfish and other readers..

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Order Emotiva direct from the company

and email to get the details on international shipping to your location. sarah@emotiva.com

http://emotiva.com/international_orders.shtm

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I'm of the school that says "good speakers sound good on all types of music". As far as I'm concerned there are no rock, pop, R&B, classical or whatever speakers. There are only bad, mediocre, good and really good speakers. If a speaker sounds good on only one type of music IMO that's a bad speaker.

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why not floorstanders?

why not floorstanders?  will generally give more bass and power and that's what you want for metal/hard rock.  If you really want bookshelf types, then consider adding a subwoofer.

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  Joe I agree with you to

 

Joe I agree with you to the fullest.

When I started my hunt, I was confused when I heard this things like- 'this speaker is good at mids', 'this one is bright' etc etc. And I thought why?

I simply believe that a speaker's job is to reproduce the recordings as close as possible, but I was surprised during auditions that there were few which seemed to be doing the job.

But Joe you will have to accept that in Hi-Fi world all speakers dont do justice to all genres. And this fact is even more enforced by the truth that we all have different tastes. I dont really fall for Hi-Fi or stereophile or audiophile philosophies. Such philosophies seem to be different from music.

Anyways, Joe which speakers do you like or which ones do you own?

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roksan kandy k2 amp/monitor audio br5/b&w cm1

That consists my system, and it sounds good with metal music, especially monitor audio br5, better bass reproduction.

a friend told me that wharfedale's diamond 9.6 rocks great for metal music, i'm eager to audition them.

 

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@BillB I am looking for

@BillB

I am looking for floorstanders only. Cerwin Vega xls-28 are floorstanders. The Epos suggested by a member is also a suggestion, in which case I will go with subwoofer. But in general I believe that subwoofer adds colored bass to music, which I might not like.

So I am of opinion to get floorstanders basically.

 

@tormentor

I have heard Monitor Audio and wharfedale 9.5 too (if not 9.6). Liked wharfedales better than monitor and chose wharfedale dia 10.5. I didnt say that 10.5 are not a good speakers, they are very musical, mature and rich, but they struggle to keep with rythm and instrument seperation with rock & metal.

@ everybody: I still want more options of readers of this thread.

Is Cerwin vega the answer, or should I hunt more.

Any views on ATC??

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mission mx5

same here, i want the best speakers for metal music too...

i plan to audition the mx5, with great reviews and it favors loud music.

hope it matches the genre that we all love.

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After going through a lot of

After going through a lot of forums and discussions. Few common suggestions for hard rock/metal have been Klipsch, JBL, tannoy, Cerwin Vega, ATC. But I have heard JBL and Klipsch both, I didnt like either of them.

So I think we need more suggestions from the forum members here.

The more the number of options, the better is final decision for speakers.

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room?

How big is your room?

If you have the size, go for some floorstanding Paradigm Monitor v6 9 speakers, they can rock. Nice open sound and enough low end.

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heroftheday wrote:

 

Joe I agree with you to the fullest.

When I started my hunt, I was confused when I heard this things like- 'this speaker is good at mids', 'this one is bright' etc etc. And I thought why?

I simply believe that a speaker's job is to reproduce the recordings as close as possible, but I was surprised during auditions that there were few which seemed to be doing the job.

But Joe you will have to accept that in Hi-Fi world all speakers dont do justice to all genres. And this fact is even more enforced by the truth that we all have different tastes. I dont really fall for Hi-Fi or stereophile or audiophile philosophies. Such philosophies seem to be different from music.

Anyways, Joe which speakers do you like or which ones do you own?

Which do I like?

Well, I've never heard a panel speaker I didn't like. That means Mangneplanar's and other magnetic planars, Ribbon's, especially Apogee's and any esl.

What do I own?

Front: Acoustat Spectra 22's (ESL) with two 12" TL (Pass Labs DIY El-Pipe-O) sub woofers. Tube mono blocks drive my stats from 85Hz up. A pair of bridged Crown XLS402's drive (one each) my sub woofers.

Rear: Acoustat Model 1 (ESL) with an Acoustat SPW-1  dual woofer. The SPW-1 has 4 x 6" as a dual woofer in one box. These are also bi-amped with the Model ones driven from 100Hz up, the sub from 100Hz down with 2 SS (Adcom GFA-545) stereo amps doing the driving.

Yes, like you I believe that reproducing recordings as close as possible is the goal. I also agree that almost any speaker system is a set of compromises. The exceptions being cost no object systems.  For me getting the midrange right is of paramount importance. ESL's IMO do this better than most other speakers. Unfortunately full range esl's tend to have enemic bass and restricted dynamics. I solved the restricted bass problem with TL sub woofers. This increases the dynamics because they are not asked to reproduce bass. My Spectra's will also play fairly loud. They are rated to produce 110dB at 10 feet in an 18' by 22' room. I can't state for sure that they will play that loud. My old Rat Shack meter's scale only goes to 106dB. I have listened to music with the meter needle pegged hard at the +106dB point. 

EDIT:

I would add that a properly integrated sub woofer or sub woofers only add bass that most real world (affordable by mortals) speakers simply can't do. The only time  they should be noticed is when they are turned off and the absence of bass is noticed.

Two subs are definately better than one!

 

I'll also add that "crisp clean highs" usually means to me that I want to stick ice picks in my ears and run away. "Punchy bass" usually means bloated boomy "one note" bass and "good at mids" usually (IMO) means they sound like a pair of in your face JBL L-100's.

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Thanks Joe... ..for letting

Thanks Joe...

..for letting me know your preferences and possession. You own certain set-up that I might not have even heard of. Or I can say that you have described your stereo system so technically that I it seems complex to me.  A few points that I could filter out are- you are satisfied with your system, I may like to set up a similar system, sub-woofers are important, panel speakers are good, Mangneplanar's and other magnetic planars are also good.

Let me give more thought to what you have stated.

I am still waiting for more suggestions. I would also like to hear your words on ATC. Any members who have got or heard ATC.

Guys. This would be very immature, but can I ask you one thing? IS ENJOYING YOUR MUSIC SO COMPLICATED AS HI-FI HAS MADE IT TO BE?

 

 

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Not complicated

My system is not complicated. For music I use only the front speakers. I've been involved in this passion since 1967. With that many years under my belt I've been able to build a system that I'm satisfied with. I should add, my system is in a dedicated acoustically treated room. I knocked down the wall between my living and dining room. The resulting space is my listening room.

To make it simple.

I have a pair of full range electrostatic speakers and two sub woofers. My sub woofers are passive (no built in amplifiers) and need amplifiers.

One bridged Crown drives each sub woofer.

I use 2 mono tube amplifiers (one for each speaker) to drive my electrostatics (esl).

Electrostatic speakers are not the same as planar magnetics.  They have no magnets or voice coils. They operate on a different principle.

Yes, I'm satisfied with my system. I've been using the same speakers, preamp and turntable for 10+ years.

I've heard of and heard some ATC speakers. I understand they are somewhat popular in recording studios. As I stated in an earlier post, speakers in boxes usually don't do much for me.

Why do you think having a good system is complicated? Many posters here have separates. That is, separate preamp, power amp and tuner. I have mono power amps so I need two instead of one. All I do is select the source (CD, LP, or Tape), start playback and adjust the volume. I have no tone controls or equalizer.

So, there is nothing to adjust but the volume.

In any case, what does that have to do with enjoying music?

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I think Dynaudio makes excellent speakers for the hard stuff.

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Thanks for simplifying your

Thanks for simplifying your set up Joe. I would sey I understand it better now.

About enjoying music, I meant that it becomes complicated becuse while listening I become analytical and rather think about what more can be done, should I do this, do that etc. So instead of actually enjoying the music I am busy in noticing the mids, highs, dynamics being delivered by speakers.

In fact, now when I listen to anything, like car radio, speakers at some friends', or even TV speakers, I tend to analyze them all.

I need a simple set -up. music source-->amp-->speakers, thats it. But in such a simple series too, there are views like 'this speaker matches with that amp', 'this amp is bassy', 'use a digital to analog converter', etc etc. I wonder why the hell is that so complicated. Cant we have a straighforward and honest set up.

Hey Joe, as I already said that its so immature of me to say such things. But you had been here in this hobby for a long time and I am just like a kid in this. So, I hope you understand all this curoiosity of mine.

 

 

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Thanks for simplifying your

Thanks for simplifying your set up Joe. I would sey I understand it better now.

About enjoying music, I meant that it becomes complicated becuse while listening I become analytical and rather think about what more can be done, should I do this, do that etc. So instead of actually enjoying the music I am busy in noticing the mids, highs, dynamics being delivered by speakers.

In fact, now when I listen to anything, like car radio, speakers at some friends', or even TV speakers, I tend to analyze them all.

I need a simple set -up. music source-->amp-->speakers, thats it. But in such a simple series too, they say like 'this speaker matches with that amp', 'this amp is bassy', 'use a digital to analog converter', etc etc. I wonder why the hell is that so complicated. Cant we have a straighforward and honest set up.

Hey Joe, as I already said that its so immature of me to say such things. But you had been here in this hobby for a long time and I am just a beginner in this. So, I hope you understand all this curiosity of mine.

 

 

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Simple or good

If it was as simple as you think you would like it to be there would be no choices to make.

If you want a simple setup buy a Bose Wave Radio. If you want good sound there is no simple way. A good CD player an integrated amp and a pair of speakers is about as simple as it gets. Choosing the various parts is where it starts to become complicated. My advice would be to choose a pair of speakers after auditioning some. Buy an integrated amp with enough power to drive the speakers as loud as you want in your listening area. Buy a good CD player and that's it.

You will notice that I have deliberately not mentioned any brands or models. I don't know your budget, the room where the gear is going or the availability of any particular gear in you area. Go out and audition as much as you can. Decide what you like and then ask for opinions on the pieces you like the most. You can then expect some good advice.

As for the ATC speakers; The only thing that matters is whether you liked them or not.

BTW: Speakers that you like will tend to draw you into the music emotionally and away from the analytical side.  If they make you start analyzing and thinking about equalizing them or boosting the bass and tweaking the treble you probably shouldn't buy them. If you can, listen to speakers and gear above your budget. That way you will know how good it can get and can decide what compromises you're willing to make. Yes, most of us have also made some compromises, usually because of budget restraints. 

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Hero, what were the things

Hero, what were the things you didn't like when listening to the speakers you listed?  I'm curious what others listen for and notice.  Even with my severe HF hearing loss, I'm real turned off by too much treble in the "brightness" region.  Good upper treble for brushed cymbals, etc. is necessary, but the upper mids/low treble range can often be too harsh for me.  Mostly, I want a system with good, solid, low bass, without bloom or boom.

Good luck in your quest.  BTW, some older CVs used foam bass driver surrounds, like the old Advents and some JBLs.  That foam has a short lifespan, unless that problem has been solved.  I had nothing but trouble with foam woofer suspensions.

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JoeE SP9 wrote: If it was as
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If it was as simple as you think you would like it to be there would be no choices to make.

If you want a simple setup buy a Bose Wave Radio. If you want good sound there is no simple way. A good CD player an integrated amp and a pair of speakers is about as simple as it gets. Choosing the various parts is where it starts to become complicated. My advice would be to choose a pair of speakers after auditioning some. Buy an integrated amp with enough power to drive the speakers as loud as you want in your listening area. Buy a good CD player and that's it.

You will notice that I have deliberately not mentioned any brands or models. I don't know your budget, the room where the gear is going or the availability of any particular gear in you area. Go out and audition as much as you can. Decide what you like and then ask for opinions on the pieces you like the most. You can then expect some good advice.

As for the ATC speakers; The only thing that matters is whether you liked them or not.

BTW: Speakers that you like will tend to draw you into the music emotionally and away from the analytical side.  If they make you start analyzing and thinking about equalizing them or boosting the bass and tweaking the treble you probably shouldn't buy them. If you can, listen to speakers and gear above your budget. That way you will know how good it can get and can decide what compromises you're willing to make. Yes, most of us have also made some compromises, usually because of budget restraints. 

Joe, you say 'If you want good sound there is no simple way', now that brings back my question if getting good sound was that complicated. Rhetorical it is, no? You seem to say that 'yes, enjoying music is complicated'.

Anyways. I have auditioned many speakers here, out of which I liked the wharfedales (mentioned in my fist post) most because wharfe didn't seem to add any color to music.

I am not totally unhappy with the music I am getting but still I want more out of my set-up. Hence, I am hunting as much as I can for second rounds for audition.

Thats why I need as many suggestions from all you members. So far. Cerwin Vega, Epos, Dundaudio have been sugeested for hard rock/metal. Still waiting for more....

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pentode wrote:

Hero, what were the things you didn't like when listening to the speakers you listed?  I'm curious what others listen for and notice.  Even with my severe HF hearing loss, I'm real turned off by too much treble in the "brightness" region.  Good upper treble for brushed cymbals, etc. is necessary, but the upper mids/low treble range can often be too harsh for me.  Mostly, I want a system with good, solid, low bass, without bloom or boom.

Good luck in your quest.  BTW, some older CVs used foam bass driver surrounds, like the old Advents and some JBLs.  That foam has a short lifespan, unless that problem has been solved.  I had nothing but trouble with foam woofer suspensions.

The most common thing I didnt like about most speakers was the 'brightness'. All seemed to add extra brightness or highs to everything.

For instance say Metallica's 'Master of puppets' song which I auditioned on Mordaunt Short (cant recall the model) with cabridge audio amp, gave unnecessary brightness and attempt to soften the music. It seemed as if the band of four members has converted into six members with two extras doing job of constantly striking the cymbals of the drum set. Annoying. Overresponsive on highs if can call it.

Then take example of PSB (with NAD amp). I liked PSBs, but they seemed to give a different sound signature altogether. Soft, sweet and very different. I was not looking for sweetness in music, especially for hard rock. No doubt they would be liked by many for some specific genre.

So, if I can summarize, I look for flat, or ideally saying honest response to the recordings. I know my genre well and I know what kind of output a speaker for this genre should deliver as I have seen many live performances here in India from Indian rock/metal bands. All I can say is that I havent still found the sound I am looking for.

AFAIK, these bands get their gears customised or DIY kinda way. If nothing, customization or modification is the way to go for me too.

Regarding the foam thing with cerwin Vega, let me get some more info whether it is really an issue with them or not.

BTW, pentode, any suggestions for speakers for hard rock/metal??

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I am a metal guy and understand your frustration.....

Though I am more of an Iron Maiden, Black Sabbath, Judas Priest guy than Slayer, etc.....  Run to the Hills is a key demo song for me.  I loved my old Infinity Kappa 8.1's for metal and have struggled to find a more power efficient replacement.  I am currently trying to decide whether to buy more power or find a different speaker for my living room.  Power ain't cheap but then again, neither is a nice speaker.  I like Definitive Technologies bi-polar line though they are not inexpensive - $1300+ a pair.  I have Sunfire HRSs which are a small bookshelf speaker in my home theatre.  They are a very true sounding speaker but again are not inexpensive, $750 a pair plus the cost of a sub as they only go down to 90hz. 

I know how hard it is to find a good speaker for metal so I look forward to hearing what you ultimately decide on. 

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Yes. I too have realized that

Yes. I too have realized that its not easy to find speakers for metal, in fact I would say that its hard to find speakers which are honest to the source.  I haven' yet decided on the speakers. I am gonna explore all options before deciding final set up for me. Till then I shall keep you all posted.

Meanwhile, Cerwin vega, EPOS, Dyndaudio, Infinity Kappa are waiting for me to audition them. I will share my experiences soon.

Further recommendations from other readers are welcome....

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heroftheday wrote:

Yes. I too have realized that its not easy to find speakers for metal, in fact I would say that its hard to find speakers which are honest to the source.  I haven' yet decided on the speakers. I am gonna explore all options before deciding final set up for me. Till then I shall keep you all posted.

Meanwhile, Cerwin vega, EPOS, Dyndaudio, Infinity Kappa are waiting for me to audition them. I will share my experiences soon.

Further recommendations from other readers are welcome....

 

Electrostatics in general and Quad ESL57's and 63's specifically have the least midrange coloration of any speakers I've ever heard.

Infinity Kappa's have always sounded pretty good to me. The new CV speakers have been getting good reviews. The don't sound much like traditional CV's 

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JoeE SP9 wrote:

I'm of the school that says "good speakers sound good on all types of music". As far as I'm concerned there are no rock, pop, R&B, classical or whatever speakers. There are only bad, mediocre, good and really good speakers. If a speaker sounds good on only one type of music IMO that's a bad speaker.

This is true when you're talking about frequency response, for example, but hard rock and metal are pretty demanding. You need a speaker (and amp, the guy who mentioned this above is absolutely right) that can reproduce the highly dynamic and impactful nature of heavy metal music. Most other genres of music sound just fine on a system that wouldn't be able to kick you in the gut but once you listen to Lamb of God or Protest the Hero you immediately notice something's missing.

I don't really have a suggestion for the, I haven't heard a two channel system under $2,000 that I thought did the job perfectly. (not that I've heard everything on the market or anything) I will say that my Polk RTi A7 towers are more than enjoyable, at their price they're among the most dynamic speakers I've ever heard.

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my 2 cents

I listen to different types of music and a good portion of classic rock, mind you, I never liked heavy bass.. My simple system as follows in a dedicated 11x14 foot room.. Musical Fidelity A5 integrated amp, 250wpc.... Magnepan MMG loud speakers, VPI Scout with an Ortofon 2M Red cartridge using  a Graham Slee SE 2 phono preamp. Digital end is an old top of the line Sony DVD S7000 as a transport connected to a PS Audio DL III Dac.

I recently purchased the MMG's after selling off a pair of Von Schweikert VR-1's and a REL Q201E sub. Once I got the speakers set where they sounded there best I sat in my chair and was flabbergasted.. Yes, this system will not satisfy people who want heart stopping bass but this system does have a synergy about it that sounds right.. The amp will make these speakers sing like your at a concert if need be.

While this isn't the best system I've had in my 38 year hobby it's not far from it.. It's that simple..

 

 

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different genres mean different to people

And same is the case with hard rock or metal. While some might like thomping bass, some might like roughness in guitar riffs, some like the seperation of instruments and so on. I would look for roughness and dynamic presentation. Ideally I would look for flat response to the recordings with adequate dynamics.

@Remonste- I understand now, after good research, that its not easy to find suitable set up for metal in low budget. The genre is pretty much demanding in every sense. High power amp, big size speakers, good source etc. But the quest is to find the closest to the best set up within low budget. Lets see where the hunt stops.

@kage- I have come across Magnepans in various forums. Thanks for highlighting them here. Maggies are on my list of audition now.

Further suggestions are welcome..

 

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MMG's

Thanks, I hope you can find a dealer. The MMG's can only be purchase direct through Magnepan and come with a 30 day money back guaranty and a one year trade up to one of there larger speakers like the 1.7 for the full value price of the MMG's, which is something I would love to do.

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Demanding?

You can talk all that nonsense about rock being demanding in it's reproduction. Nothing could be further from the truth. It's music that for the most part has no dynamic range and little if any low bass. Sure it's got a lot of thump and kick. However there is little else that is all that demanding reproduction wise except volume.

In my experience every system that does a good job on full orchestral music also does a very good job on rock. The real problem with most rock recordings is the usually awful recordings. IMO that's why so many who listen to rock feel they need an equalizer to make the recordings sound right. Unfortunately an equalizer can't make a silk purse out of a sows ear.

The job of a speaker is to reproduce what's in the recording, not what you think should be or wish was in the recording. Any speaker system that does full orchestral music well will also do rock, pop, Jazz, folk or any kind of music well.

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I tend to agree, there is

I tend to agree, there is nothing particularly demanding about metal music except that people tend to play it loud. So one needs a speaker that can play loud but remains musical and detailed. I have not heard the Zu Audio speakers but have heard good things about them. The high efficiency of them will allow one to buy a sweet sounding low cost high value tube amp such as the Jolida JD202BRC or JD801 and really let the "dogs out".  This may not be a speaker for jazz and other highly detailed music, although the ones with the ribbon tweeter are propbably pretty good but may lack that "one voice" that audiophilles will search for.  Have you considered kits?  The following speaker is "killer" and for all music, type "Madisound speaker drivers" in google or yahoo,click on kits, look at the 3 way Zaph Audio SB12.3.  12inch not ported, goes deep, goes LOUD, MTM arrangement for the mids and highs  The tweeter used is just awesome, very musical, plays very loud.  $995 each with out cabinet.  Cabs can be built for as low as $200 each (do it yourself unfinished MDF) or for as much as you want.  92 dB effieciency!  37 to 25 K hertz,  but note they have way more output at 20 hertz than the typical ported speaker which also has a -3dB 37 herts spec as is the nature of -12 dB per octave sealed box design.  These speakers are NOT for samll rooms!  They can not match the excellent quality levls of the Ref 3A Grand Veena $8000, or Thiel CS3.7 $12,900 which also play loud and are full range speakers BUT at $995 they sound way better than the PSB Sych two $3500 and can play much much louderthan those.    The Golden Ear Triton 2 at $2500 is another consideration.  Even if you had only planned to spend say $1200, I would highly recommend that you save up money,wait, get these, and enjoy the heck out of them.  They are MTM with an air motion tweeter that puts most metal domes to shame and it has built in high powered subwoofers with passive radiators so as to avoid "port noise" and the built in amp and "interface" gives your power amp "a break" (higher smoother impedence for the bottom 2 octave or so) so it can focus on providing dynamis current for the mid/upper bass, mids and highs.  The Golden Ear Triton 2 are the lowest price towers that I can enjoy listening to.  I mean that, yes, the Vandersteen 2Ce at $2195 are nice but they can not reach the volumes and dynamics that is what I am listening for. And for stand mounts the Vienna Acoutics Haydn Grands and the Nola Boxers are very good, add a sub woofer (or 2 better) and they are really quite nice and a good way to go.

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 A good, big, inexpensive

 A good, big, inexpensive horn based loudspeaker will compensate somewhat for the inherent dynamic compression in the recording. One of the larger Cerwin Vegas would be perfect for metal.

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@heroftheday: So did you

@heroftheday:

So did you listen  to the cerwin and other speakers?

btw, my experience might help. I have B&W (unexiting) and klipsch (too agressive highs and mids are overwhelmed by the highs and bass). I listen to rock, hard rock, pop and jazz, mostly. I too listened to a lot of speakers (paradigms, Monitor audio, wharfadale, magnepan, etc.) and always found something was missing when listening to rock, hard rock and pop.

Then I went to listen to the cerwin vega xls-15, and now I understand what was missing: SPL=sound pressure level. Nothing beats CV speakers at this. Speakers with multiple small woofers can reproduce bass, but cannot produce hard hiting bass like pro speakers do, but CVs can. They simply sound big, a sound similar to concert sound, a sound that has a lot of energy, even at low volume. You can listen and feel the impact of music, rather than just listen and analyze.

They sound very good too at low volume, but they shine at moderate and high colume. Of course they do not sound as refined as Monitor Audio or B&W (they are a bit less fast, less precise or nuanced, they do not image as well, and this is more visible on acoustic music and jazz), but their overall sound is certainly very good, impressive and balanced, whatever the type of music. Vocals are great too. And I never heard a speaker so good with energetic music (pop, rock, hard rock), never harsh highs.

In sum: I would highly recommend CVs to people listening mostly to pop, rock, classic rock, eletronic, hard rock (metallica is unbelievable on these!), dance, disco,etc., and sometimes to other genres, like jazz, classical and the like. But not to people who listen mostly to acoustic, jazz, classical, folk, and sometimes to pop and rock.

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Revel Salons , give them a kw

Revel Salons , give them a kw and you'll hear rock like never before . There even mid priced .

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Both Cerwin Vega and Infinity

Both Cerwin Vega and Infinity speakers (1990's vintage), are outstanding for Hard Rock and Metal music. I owned both brands during the 80's and early 90's. Buy a pair and play them LOUD!

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