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Analog Mikey has gone too far

Mike Fremers Oct review of the Esoteric universal player has in my opinion, done much to confuse and mislead readers.
His statement that "Many audiophiles forget that an optical disk is actually an analog format...." is not so. If he is refering to the variations of signal strength read because of disk and laser variations as "analog", then there is no true digital data. Magnetic disk data has varying (analog)levels of flux density for both 1s and 0s. Digital interfaces such as 5 volt TTL signals also have (analog) variations in their levels. Not exactly 0V or 5V.
All digital have specifications to allow for a range of values to be determined as a one or a zero. This does not make this data analog and to call them such just causes confusion.

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Don't get too riled up.

He only said that so he could start covering digital gear in "Analog Corner."

Maybe Zanden is going to start marketing different digital styli for CD players. For 25,000 dollars, you can buy a new digital stylus that will make your usual CD player sound better.

Maybe they'll also come out with a radial CD tracking "tonearm" instead of the industry standard linear tracking optical tonearm devices.

Did you know, a linear tracking optical device is always trying to correct itself, which means it never achieves actual linear tracking?

I suspect this new stylus will require and air bearing or unipivot optical toneram...for another 5-10 grand.

(Kidding around, but wouldn't be surprised if some company tries it.)

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I must have missed his article. I will have to dig up the issue and read it again. Thanks for the heads up, I always like to controversy.

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Don't get too riled up.

He only said that so he could start covering digital gear in "Analog Corner."

Maybe Zanden is going to start marketing different digital styli for CD players. For 25,000 dollars, you can buy a new digital stylus that will make your usual CD player sound better.

Maybe they'll also come out with a radial CD tracking "tonearm" instead of the industry standard linear tracking optical tonearm devices.

Did you know, a linear tracking optical device is always trying to correct itself, which means it never achieves actual linear tracking?

I suspect this new stylus will require and air bearing or unipivot optical toneram...for another 5-10 grand.

(Kidding around, but wouldn't be surprised if some company tries it.)

Interchangable laser heads? The new 785 nanometer laser sounds so much better than the old 780 nm unit.

How about an analog turntable with constant linear tracking speed like a CD player?

A market for an all new media type that will appeal to the analog freaks.

My point with this thread is that I keep reading that we need to connect with the common listener and make them a new stereophile and I read something like this that will just confuse them.

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I think MF has been sitting on his turntable too long. The constant rotation at 33rpm makes his head spin.

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The binary numbering system has to be on a CD somewhere. I've been told on this forum that to make a long story short the zeros and ones get converted to analog during playback. Which leads to me to some good questions for those that have changed the world. Is my SONY CD player out of date now that the 24 bit players are affordable? I mean, since all I do is playback do I need a 24 bit system? Will it make a difference or not?

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The binary numbering system has to be on a CD somewhere. I've been told on this forum that to make a long story short the zeros and ones get converted to analog during playback. Which leads to me to some good questions for those that have changed the world. Is my SONY CD player out of date now that the 24 bit players are affordable? I mean, since all I do is playback do I need a 24 bit system? Will it make a difference or not?

Sony? You must shop Best Buy. Not welcome here.
24 bits? What's that in U.S. dollars?
Of course you need a 24 bit player for your 16 bit CDs.
You will get 1.5 times better sound. Do the math. 24/16 equals 1.5.
As for the digital conversion to analog, you should keep it digital until the very end. Use a digital amp (class D, stands for digital) and use digital ready speakers of course. I hope this has helped.

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I think MF has been sitting on his turntable too long. The constant rotation at 33rpm makes his head spin.

How does the .006666rpm of the earth interact with the 33rpm rate of an LP? Does it need a special filter to remove the I.M. components?

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I think MF has been sitting on his turntable too long. The constant rotation at 33rpm makes his head spin.

How does the .006666rpm of the earth interact with the 33rpm rate of an LP? Does it need a special filter to remove the I.M. components?

Need you ask? Of course it does and if you don't know that, then you certainly can't afford it.

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Yep, I have a SONY XE400. And thus far, I have not seen any reason to update. Unless of course the sound of my reel-to-reel player actually sounds better than my CD player and those that have changed the world claim it shouldn't be like that. I don't think a 24 bit CD player is going to make a difference. Same goes for speakers with an Intel chip. As you can see from the product review of my Sony that it doesn't take dick to playback a CD.

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Yep, I have a SONY XE400. And thus far, I have not seen any reason to update. Unless of course the sound of my reel-to-reel player actually sounds better than my CD player and those that have changed the world claim it shouldn't be like that. I don't think a 24 bit CD player is going to make a difference. Same goes for speakers with an Intel chip. As you can see from the product review of my Sony that it doesn't take dick to playback a CD.

What have we here? A free thinker not under the control of the self appointed audio gods? Heresy! I suppose that you don't believe that the earth is the center of the universe either.

At my house it does take dick to play a CD. My wife still can't figure it out.

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My wife can't figure out how to play the R2R but she can play the crap out of the CD player, which is irritating. She insists on wanting to hear particular songs. She is particularly hard on LPs.

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but she can play the crap out of the CD player, which is irritating. She insists on wanting to hear particular songs.


See you should have bought the 24 bit machine. Less irritating. Also doesn't she know about the damage repeated laser impact can cause on a CD? Lasers have danger warnings on them so they must be dangerous.

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That would like telling her that wasn't a real pig at the Pink Floyd concert.

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That would like telling her that wasn't a real pig at the Pink Floyd concert.

Suppose that you didn't bother to tell her that it's Pink Floyd not Pig Floyd? By the way which one's Pink?

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Which one's Floyd?

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He was probably making a sideways reference to Robert Harley's 1994 article titled The Analog Compact Disc.

I started to give it a read but I'm afraid I feared nodding off.

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He was probably making a sideways reference to Robert Harley's 1994 article titled The Analog Compact Disc.

Damn, after a quick look I might be eating crow. I really hate that. I will have to think about this a bit more though before admitting I was wrong.
Thanks though for providing me with additional info.
I started to give it a read but I'm afraid I feared nodding off.

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Too much record cleaning solutions over teh years, anotehr benefit of CD/SACD digital world it's 21st century, MF sounds like he thinks teh 70's where it! Snap crackle pop, oh what glorious analog sound, the sound of bloated tube amps with no bass definition, and it's only $45K and 30W per channel, why would anyone need watts and no distortion, snap crackle pop. Let's go scrb some records, and coat em, and de static them, and clean teh stylus, and make sure teh tone arm is weithted properly, and flip that LP in 22 minutes, oh, glorious records...it's bizzaro world ain't it? So this new KORG DSD recorder for just around $1100 must be no good, it's modern digital ckts, when 30 yeras ago you needed a room full of analog tapes to do what this mobile battery powered unit does www.korg.com MR1000 bah humbug on this 21st century stuff, spin records, stuck in 1959....probably thinks a Rambler is a modern car too.

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Ramblers had that cool "E" shift on the column. I know this because my father owned one and left me in the car by myself when I was about 8 years old.

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Ramblers had that cool "E" shift on the column. I know this because my father owned one and left me in the car by myself when I was about 8 years old.

With the windows rolled up in 100+ degree heat for an extended period of time I would guess. Ah the good old days.
Eating lead paint chips, riding on the rear window sill, running with sissors.

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Three TV channels, fighting over Flipper and My Favorite Martian, jumping off the roof...

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Plyaing RECORDS on a TT............oh, MF still thinks that's 21st century.....Rambler Daze?

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As a toddler I remember several cool Nashes and Hudsons and later we had a '61 Rambler American "Custom 400" and a '68 Rambler Ambassador SST- 343/4 barrel, 10.2-1 compression, dual exhaust, posi. Fun car. The AMX and Hurst SC/Rambler and Mark Donahue Javelin were also pretty effin' modern at the time.

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This thread is Rambling

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Didn't they also make a hot rod Gremlin, V8 wide tires.....I think they had 8 track streo too!!! Whoopie. Having a rear speaker in a a 1960 car was a treat.....FM was really getting carried away.... With a tuning button at teh left foot floor position on the "Imperial we had, electric tuning as teh radio dial moved across the dial...there was enough CHROME on that dash to fill a Harley.

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