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all this talk of football and other boring sports is great...but any UFC fans?

I am a huge fan. Liddell was my guy, a regular superman., but his chin has softened up ..he has retired, sadly..now Lyoto Machida is my guy..another one of my favorites, Cro-Cop, lost tonight, as did the always humble Rich "Ace" Franklin. Sad Night.

Love Forrest Griffin too, and Matt Hughes. Tito Ortiz is a punk...the Liddell/Ortiz fights were epic.

all time favorite fight-- Wanderlei "the axe murderer" Silva and Chuck "the iceman" Liddell...he was superman that night. Also loved seeing Liddell whip Couture, in spite of my aforementioned respect and admiration for "The Natural"

Cant stand lesnar... Love Couture.

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Big fan here. I actually have a photo of me and Rnady Couture having a stare down. Is Anderson Silva a human being?

Oh and I have met Tito. couldn't be a nicer guy in real life.

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Big fan here. I actually have a photo of me and Rnady Couture having a stare down. Is Anderson Silva a human being?

Oh and I have met Tito. couldn't be a nicer guy in real life.

Good deal... I have met Forrest Griffin , but no one else. Forrest was very nice, totally down to earth. Randy seems like he would be a nice dude.

Machida is going to go far..I hope he whips the piss out of Shogun..

I also loved seeing Bisping get his clock cleaned by Dan Henderson.. The only guys I really, really dislike are the Diaz boys..Nick and Nate..they seem like , alpha dog street punks. I hate that.

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I want to meet Forrest Gump. He played a lot of football and was in the shit. I would also like to meet Lieutenant Dan.

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Big fan here. I actually have a photo of me and Rnady Couture having a stare down. Is Anderson Silva a human being?

Oh and I have met Tito. couldn't be a nicer guy in real life.

Good deal... I have met Forrest Griffin , but no one else. Forrest was very nice, totally down to earth. Randy seems like he would be a nice dude.

Machida is going to go far..I hope he whips the piss out of Shogun..

I also loved seeing Bisping get his clock cleaned by Dan Henderson.. The only guys I really, really dislike are the Diaz boys..Nick and Nate..they seem like , alpha dog street punks. I hate that.

Randy is awesome. A real professor of the sport. We sat and talked MMA for a couple hours. I agree with you about Machida. the guy is sort what Liddell was in his hay day. It is kind of cool that a guy whose roots are in Tae Kwan Do has used that dicipline to add a new angle to MMA. The henderson punch was cool. If you are gonna talk smack you better be damned charming and witty. Bisping was neither. I think Shogun is kind of made to order for Machida. I think that fight may look a lot like Griffin v. Silva.

And then there is Fedor.

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I agree with you about Machida. the guy is sort what Liddell was in his hay day.

I totally agree. Chuck had a real unorthodox style...almost looked like a drunken/mantis style of martial arts.. and he actually loved getting hit and counterpunching... I knew when he KOd Couture that he was my guy.. I wish to god that hed have left after the Wanderlei fight..Chuck looked amazing then. I have heard that he will fight one more time?

As for Shogun... I am not really impressed. the last fight he had was with Mark Coleman, who is like in his late 40s or something..and Shogun looked terrible...Mark was leaning all over him, Shogun couldnt do a thing with him..they both looked like amateurs. I have a feeling that Machida is going to eat him alive. I hope so!! did you see the Machida/Alves fight?? He pushed Alves down...and as the round bell went off, Machida landed a knockout hammer fist...it was amazing..Alves is a huge trash talker, so I was thrilled to see him get owned..Also loved seeing Rashad Evans smile (you know thats when the punches really hurt...when the guy that gets hit smiles)a couple of seconds before Lyoto KOs him... that was hilarious!

Jardine is another favorite.

my favorites ever

Liddell
Couture
Cro Cop
Machida
Griffin
Rich Franklin

Liddell was the guy that got me interested in the sport. I was in basic training and airborne school when the sport was in its infancy and REALLY brutal(some of those fights actually turned my stomach), but I can remember clearly the 2nd fight between Couture and Liddell... I fell in love with it all over again. Was so much of a Liddell fanboy that I went through about a week a half of deep, dark depression when Rampage KOd him. Sad night for me.. I knew then that The Iceman was on his way out..but during that Wanderlei fight...he was superman again..

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I wish to god that hed have left after the Wanderlei fight..Chuck looked amazing then. I have heard that he will fight one more time?


Yes, but now with his deadly foxtrot on "Dancing with the Stars."

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I wish to god that hed have left after the Wanderlei fight..Chuck looked amazing then. I have heard that he will fight one more time?


Yes, but now with his deadly foxtrot on "Dancing with the Stars."

Yes, that is hilarious... Chuck is going to look mighty funny up there.

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I agree with you about Machida. the guy is sort what Liddell was in his hay day.

I totally agree. Chuck had a real unorthodox style...almost looked like a drunken/mantis style of martial arts.. and he actually loved getting hit and counterpunching... I knew when he KOd Couture that he was my guy.. I wish to god that hed have left after the Wanderlei fight..Chuck looked amazing then. I have heard that he will fight one more time?

As for Shogun... I am not really impressed. the last fight he had was with Mark Coleman, who is like in his late 40s or something..and Shogun looked terrible...Mark was leaning all over him, Shogun couldnt do a thing with him..they both looked like amateurs. I have a feeling that Machida is going to eat him alive. I hope so!! did you see the Machida/Alves fight?? He pushed Alves down...and as the round bell went off, Machida landed a knockout hammer fist...it was amazing..Alves is a huge trash talker, so I was thrilled to see him get owned..Also loved seeing Rashad Evans smile (you know thats when the punches really hurt...when the guy that gets hit smiles)a couple of seconds before Lyoto KOs him... that was hilarious!

Jardine is another favorite.

my favorites ever

Liddell
Couture
Cro Cop
Machida
Griffin
Rich Franklin

Liddell was the guy that got me interested in the sport. I was in basic training and airborne school when the sport was in its infancy and REALLY brutal(some of those fights actually turned my stomach), but I can remember clearly the 2nd fight between Couture and Liddell... I fell in love with it all over again. Was so much of a Liddell fanboy that I went through about a week a half of deep, dark depression when Rampage KOd him. Sad night for me.. I knew then that The Iceman was on his way out..but during that Wanderlei fight...he was superman again..

I think Shogun's last fight was a knock out over Liddell. but still, Shogun is both aggressive and sloppy. Pretty much the worst thing you can be against Machida. machida has been on a completely different level from all the light heavy weights in his last few fights. Imagine Machida v. Anderson Silva. But it will never happen.

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man, crazy stuff with Rampage...

Dana White... dont like the guy. he is a class C dick.

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/26032...ehind-the-story

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Celebrating fighting in any form is innately unhealthy for the future of mankind.

I watched the very first UFC fight on pay TV, when the Gracie Bros where still there, of course. It was quite the spectacle, and being younger, I thought it was cool. It was exciting! Then I used my head and saw that it -ultimately-- it was not good.

Gladiator sports are very dangerous. Monkey see, monkey do, monkey think that it's OK and, well... everyone else is doing it, right?

It moves society backward, not forward. It has to stop somewhere, and putting that stuff out there is absolutely the wrong direction. Which is why it is banned from being performed in several countries.

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Celebrating fighting in any form is innately unhealthy for the future of mankind.

I watched the very first UFC fight on pay TV, when the Gracie Bros where still there, of course. It was quite the spectacle, and being younger, I thought it was cool. It was exciting! Then I used my head and saw that it -ultimately-- it was not good.

Gladiator sports are very dangerous. Monkey see, monkey do, monkey think that it's OK and, well... everyone else is doing it, right?

It moves society backward, not forward. It has to stop somewhere, and putting that stuff out there is absolutely the wrong direction. Which is why it is banned from being performed in several countries.

I don't agree with you there, Ken. It is a sport just like any other sport..only better, much, much better. .. I am way past the age of being impressionable.. Besides, I was getting in bar brawls before I even knew about the UFC.:). just become a fan 3-4 years ago. Fighting is a perfectly natural, human impulse. It is great fun...the guys don't have any ill will towards one another(for the most part)..

Maybe young kids shouldn't watch, maybe there should be an age cutoff or something, but I don't find a thing wrong with two consenting males pummeling the hell out of one another.

I do find something wrong with all the absurdly violent shows on television. THAT is a little out of control.

Id rather cope with fists than guns any day. It is such a perfect way to settle a score, dont you think?

Or should we sit down over bottles of merlot and talk about philosophy?

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The council of Nicaea started that way (at least few hundred squaring off against one another in a philosophical forum/debate) and the man who would have changed the world stood up to speak..and was punched in the face. That punch was the start of western Christianity as it stands today.

And now the world is configured in a totally different way. All due to the one premeditated punch. The answer we received was one of violence against truth, and it's been that way ever since. Of course it was that way before he stood up, point being that he was trying to make a difference.

A considerable amount of behavior is passed on to our children in our body motion and emotional positioning that we may exude as we pass through our lives. It's always there. My point is that responsibility starts somewhere.

That old saw:

If not you.. then Who?

If not now.. then When?

As for the flood myth, that is deeply encoded into every major long term -millennia old and more- ie, 6000, 10000, 12000, year old religions. Many, many unconnected religions. Most have zero aspects of it occurring in the Christian way, but what we see in Christianity basically came from that same council I mentioned. The flood seems to be connected to the axial tilt that the planet cycles through on a periodic basis. If there is more to it than that, well, there is serious debate on it in the given associated debate and investigatory circles. Some aspects of the bible have been proven correct over the years but that does not mean the fables are being very well interpreted in all sense. If you look into the origins of the modern form of Christianity you will find a busload of fabricated compromise that was pushed into factual existence through brutality and persecution - It being a cobbling together of the basic Judaic Christianity that was emergent way back then and pagan religions that were dominating Rome at the time.

Not all information is lost from the Library of Alexandria. the Piri Reis Map* shows a pre-flood coast of Antarctica in complete stark relief in perfect agreeance with the shoreline that exists under the Antarctic sea ice. It agrees to utter perfection with the current scientific understanding of that Antarctic coast. Some say it does not fit at all. Point is that there is much that modern man does not know but I'm not putting much credence into a fabricated Pagan/Christan document that was cobbled together out of multiple different religions in order to keep the public under control and quiet. I'll read it for nuggets of information and wisdom, but not much after that. Ie, the story of Moses was done to a perfect 'T' in a Sumerian (Iraq) religion and that was written down over 6000 years before the Christan/Judaic myth arrived on the scene. The Christan myth is identical, almost as if only the names have been changed. Same deal for the entire story of the immaculate conception.

*http://www.google.ca/#hl=en&source=h...8658b2190507a24

However, when we get to mankind's origins....THAT is when the two lines diverge, and drastically. In a matter of fact fully blown and detailed record, it speaks directly of alien species having and enacting direct intervention and creation of human DNA and form/function. This, as stated, in a very detailed, specific and un-hyped 'matter of fact' way. Some of that got out, and is recorded in the Sumerian tablets in both museum and private hands.

The war took place to crush and destroy the truth that was pouring out of the sands in 14 separate dig sites in Iraq. It had nothing to do with oil (note that there is largely still no oil flow from Iraq), it was a pretext for many things (as in:kill 4-5 birds with one false flag attack and war pretext) but one of the most vital was to kill the truth that was emerging on mankind's origins, in the ancient sites in Iraq. This is the exact reason that the Iraqi national museum was trashed and stripped in totality on the very night the invasion started. All of the data and collections from the 14 different dig sites were housed there.

The most important dig site of all the biggest motherload archeological dig site in the history of mankind, period.... is/was just outside of Baghdad. It WAS 400 acres in size. Do you care to guess what 400 acre thing of greenness was built right on top of it?

The library of Alexandria contained a motherload of similar information as well.

Note that it was destroyed -in the more final sense- by Christians who had been incited to rioting and to support destruction --- for that exact purpose....

"At the solicitation of Theophilus, Bishop of Alexandria, the Emperor issued an order at this time for the demolition of the heathen temples in that city; commanding also that it should be put in execution under the direction of Theophilus. Seizing this opportunity, Theophilus exerted himself to the utmost to expose the pagan mysteries to contempt. And to begin with, he caused the Mithreum to be cleaned out, and exhibited to public view the tokens of its bloody mysteries. Then he destroyed the Serapeum, and the bloody rites of the Mithreum he publicly caricatured; the Serapeum also he showed full of extravagant superstitions, and he had the phalli of Priapus carried through the midst of the forum. Thus this disturbance having been terminated, the governor of Alexandria, and the commander-in-chief of the troops in Egypt, assisted Theophilus in demolishing the heathen temples."

Sound familiar?

What you are getting here is about 1/100th of the full story so it can be easy to dismiss, without all the back-fill and other 99% of the information and logical discourse needed for full support to enact a fire of understanding in the human mind.

Which is why the bulk of it is erased when found, in order to maintain the myth. The standard incapacity of the average man to enlarge the mind and withhold judgment is utilized as a weapon against any possible awareness of the true state of affairs. It's the same thing you see in politics and media every day, except done at a enlargened or expanded level.

If the cage is big enough for the given individual-they will never see or suspect the existence of the walls....or, most importantly-- the treadmill.

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Celebrating fighting in any form is innately unhealthy for the future of mankind.

I watched the very first UFC fight on pay TV, when the Gracie Bros where still there, of course. It was quite the spectacle, and being younger, I thought it was cool. It was exciting! Then I used my head and saw that it -ultimately-- it was not good.

Gladiator sports are very dangerous. Monkey see, monkey do, monkey think that it's OK and, well... everyone else is doing it, right?

It moves society backward, not forward. It has to stop somewhere, and putting that stuff out there is absolutely the wrong direction. Which is why it is banned from being performed in several countries.

Why not go the whole nine yards and blame video games and rap/heavy metal music on all the world's violence?

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Kimbo got beat , as I thought he would.

Roy Nelson looked terrible though...fat, tired, lazy..

basically just laid on top of kimbo and butterfly kissed him to TKO..

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Kimbo got beat , as I thought he would.

Roy Nelson looked terrible though...fat, tired, lazy..

basically just laid on top of kimbo and butterfly kissed him to TKO..

It was pathetic. Kind of makes me appreciate Brock Lesner more. He is arguably less experienced than most of those guys and you know he would go through that whole cast like a hot knife through butter. Every time I saw Slice working out with Rampage I couldn't help but think how Rampage would just destroy him and Rampage is just a lightheavyweight. Kimbo needs to find another line of work. I think I could beat him on the ground! the only thing that makes this season worth watching is the one liners from Rampage.

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It was pathetic. Kind of makes me appreciate Brock Lesner more. He is arguably less experienced than most of those guys and you know he would go through that whole cast like a hot knife through butter. Every time I saw Slice working out with Rampage I couldn't help but think how Rampage would just destroy him and Rampage is just a lightheavyweight. Kimbo needs to find another line of work. I think I could beat him on the ground! the only thing that makes this season worth watching is the one liners from Rampage.

I agree. What really kills me is that Kimbo is still being marketed like some sort of superstar. the show seems to have him as the main character...like on the commercial they talk about how one guy gets injured and Kimbo magically gets a chance at redemption.. Dana white apparently is a slave to the dollar like most of the rest of us.. talking trash about kimbo one minute while making him an integral part of the script the next. trash!

oh yeah

WHAT HAPPENED TO GETTING ELIMINATED AFTER LOSING?

do they not do that anymore??

Makes me appreciate guys like Machida, Liddell, Couture, Silvia, etc even more. I want to see someone on TUF step it up big time.

PS.. you know...

I bet Kimbo could lose every match and still end up with a damned UFC contract just because of the monetary potential/crowd draw. well see how it plays out, but I Hope the UFC doesn't become some integrity compromised trash....

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I Hope the UFC doesn't become some integrity compromised trash....

Guess why the Gracie Bros left after the first few shows.

Since it's all about people beating the fuck out of one another as entertainment for the masses, it was largely written in stone from the very first show.

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No need to guess. It is pretty well documented why the Gracies left the UFC.

MMA is a great deal more than just two people beating the fuck out of each other for entertainment. If that is what you see then you are missing most of the picture. There are reasons why martial arts include the word "art." There is a reason that boxing is refered to as the "sweat science." If you do not really understand and appreciate these things you can't really offer an informed opinion on either sport.

I do agree that the integrity of the sport is on the line. But with superior martial artists like Machita, St. Pierre and Silva involved the intregity is there in spades.

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No need to guess. It is pretty well documented why the Gracies left the UFC.

MMA is a great deal more than just two people beating the fuck out of each other for entertainment. If that is what you see then you are missing most of the picture. There are reasons why martial arts include the word "art." There is a reason that boxing is refered to as the "sweat science." If you do not really understand and appreciate these things you can't really offer an informed opinion on either sport.

I do agree that the integrity of the sport is on the line. But with superior martial artists like Machita, St. Pierre and Silva involved the intregity is there in spades.

I agree, although...Spider's last fight was pathetic. I hope he gets knocked from his lofty place soon... dancing around, offering to help the guy up..way too cocky.

I also want to see Lesnar get destroyed.

Machida is the man. He has replaced Chuck Liddell as my favorite current fighter(Chuck is just past his prime. Once a God among MMA fighters, I loved his style!) Although if Chuck fights again and I see glimpses of the old chuck, hell be back in the forefront of my mind.

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So, I wonder what's the sitch with Brock Lesnar?

What has been given:

Went to Canada, wasn't feeling well, progressive shortness of breath, taken to North Dakota and hospitalized and not getting better yet.

For something to linger and be mysterious...

...and given that he is a very muscular athlete traveling out of the country...

Could be viral cardiomyopathy, with no set specific way to identify the cause. Heart muscle gets inflammed/weakened.

If the athletes supplement with PED's, then there is also a possibility of steroid induced cardiomyopathy or even a form of hepatitis that can be a real drag.

Young healthy people can get some strange viral reactions like ARDS, too.

In the realm of steroid use, a person's blood count can run too high and problems with clotting can bung up the plumbing.

With progressive shortness of breath in a guy this age, there are some weird cancers and lymphocytes (lymphoma/leukemia) are a worry.

There have even been cases of bad vitamins causing weird toxicities.

Other viruses can cause nerve weakness making for shortness of breath and poor recovery. Viral hepatitis could lay him low like this, as well.

I hope he gets better, he's fun to watch.

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So, I wonder what's the sitch with Brock Lesnar?

What has been given:

Went to Canada, wasn't feeling well, progressive shortness of breath, taken to North Dakota and hospitalized and not getting better yet.

For something to linger and be mysterious...

...and given that he is a very muscular athlete traveling out of the country...

Could be viral cardiomyopathy, with no set specific way to identify the cause. Heart muscle gets inflammed/weakened.

If the athletes supplement with PED's, then there is also a possibility of steroid induced cardiomyopathy or even a form of hepatitis that can be a real drag.

Young healthy people can get some strange viral reactions like ARDS, too.

In the realm of steroid use, a person's blood count can run too high and problems with clotting can bung up the plumbing.

With progressive shortness of breath in a guy this age, there are some weird cancers and lymphocytes (lymphoma/leukemia) are a worry.

There have even been cases of bad vitamins causing weird toxicities.

Other viruses can cause nerve weakness making for shortness of breath and poor recovery. Viral hepatitis could lay him low like this, as well.

I hope he gets better, he's fun to watch.

I do not like Brock as a fighter and think he is dumb as a box of rocks, but I wish him a fast recovery. It sounds serious, whatever it is.

What would present with mono-like symptoms?

Lyme Disease has similar, no?

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My guess is hepatitus. Hopefully B not C.

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Brock is an amazing wrestler and he is LIGHTNING fast on the ground. All of his rivals agree to this as well. He can hit and he has grown as a fighter over the last several months. His size and weight make him an unstoppable force in the UFC. I dont have any special biases towards the guy, but he can punch amazingly hard and his ground wrestling skills are some of the best on the planet, if not THE best. He was a world reknown wrestler prior to becoming a celebrity on WWE.

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