There are plenty of non-religious critiques of the theory of special evolution. Some are mathmatical, some micro-biological. For me, as a Christian, I am content in knowing that God is our Creator. How He chose to do it is immaterial to me, I am just glad THAT He chose to do it.

The whole concept of spontaneous generation of first life and that given enough time things get better on their own is a bit for me to swallow. It contradicts my experience and what I know of basic science.

Basically, I lack the faith to be an evolutionist.
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What I don't understand is why there has to be an answer to why we exist.

As I long ago explained, evolution is not an explanation for the origin of life.

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I think he means something like scientists have been testing Darwin's Theory since Darwin, whom spent his entire life fighting skeptics. So, the science still hasn't found any tangible evidence that Darwin was correct. We just assume he is correct. Why, I don't know. There is no data that makes him correct.

Lamont, you have long been owned. I addressed this many times, beginning a great many posts ago.

I have provided enough citations to data and analysis supporting evolution to keep you reading for the rest of your life. Your refusal to acknowledge the existence of the supporting evidence does not make it go away.

No scientist "assumes" Darwin was correct. Darwin offered a hypothesis which has been rigorously tested for over 150 years.

In your world "there is no data" only because you have decided to ignore all of it. So who here is behaving as a Bible-thumping Creationist?

So why does evolution turn you on? My hypothesis is you are threatened by the various examples of homosexual sex in animal behavior; it's all fun and games to talk about but terrifying when it's real, right?

You could argue there is no evidence for quantum theory and that physicists slavishly believe in the writings of Niels Bohr.

And you would be just as wrong.

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For me, as a Christian, I am content in knowing that God is our Creator. How He chose to do it is immaterial to me, I am just glad THAT He chose to do it.

Many posit that God created life and set the universe in motion, replete with the physical laws that we experience - including quantum, evolution, an expanding universe, etc. That is, there is no conflict between religion and science.

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The whole concept of spontaneous generation of first life and that given enough time things get better on their own is a bit for me to swallow.

Basically, I lack the faith to be an evolutionist.

Evolutionary theory does not trouble itself with life's origin. It addresses only what subsequently happened. No faith required.

Pursuant to evolutionary theory, life could have began with a creator, primordial soup, the FSM - anything.

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Ah, fuck. Yes, your ego is still intact, Elias. Your dick can touch the ground and mine can't. Fucking water-walker.

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Ah, fuck. Yes, your ego is still intact, Elias. Your dick can touch the ground and mine can't. Fucking water-walker.

Lamont - can you clarify yourself here in the terms of the discussion?

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A far as I know there is no tenet of the Southern Baptists that gives a date to the earth...do you have a link?

No, but my sister and brother-in-law and they are Southern Baptist and believe in a "young earth" and all of the Southern Baptist I know believe in a young earth. Anecdotal but I think most fundamentalist reject evolution and believe the earth is around 6-10k years old. I don't know if it is in their doctrine, but if a large majority of their members believe it and it is preached from a majority of the pulpits, then that is good enough for me that is part of their belief system.

I will see if I can find a link.

Edit, here is an interesting article that I found. Not definitive but gives insight.

http://www.gofbw.com/news.asp?ID=12220&fp=Y

Im southern baptist and you are crazy as hell. I believe very much in God. but I believe the two can exist peacefully(science and God) your generalizations and narrow minded stereotypes tell me clearly that you know nothing about the Southern Baptist theology. Like most athiests, you take the words of a relatively few of us and use those words to dress the rest of us up in. Nonsense.

So you are Southern Baptist and know that a majority do not believe in a young earth creation and the Bible is not a literal book and besides that "I am crazy as Hell" (very Christ like by the way)? Well I (and this is an opinion and is mine) do not believe that a religion can co-exist peacefully with science if the religion (and a majority of its members-not a few) believes in a young earth and a literal interpretation of the bible.

If on the other hand, you have some actual links that show that a majority (as opposed to a "few")of Southern Baptist do not believe in a young earth and a literal interpretation of the Bible, I humbly apologize.

http://erlc.com/article/creation-vs-evolution-young-earth-theory/

Please note that the above article on the Southern Baptist Convention website says "Young Earth Theory" I emphasize theory so some of the scientists that may be reading might want to comment.

Here is another "Crazy as Hell" writer
http://www.drdino.com/the-doctrine-of-creation-denominations-skew-the-truth

Here is another crazy as hell writer of a "few"

http://www.bpnews.net/bpnews.asp?ID=24293

Hmmm, only a few

"In 1987, the Southern Baptist Convention Peace Committee reported that most Southern Baptists believe in

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Ah, fuck. Yes, your ego is still intact, Elias. Your dick can touch the ground and mine can't. Fucking water-walker.

Lamont - can you clarify yourself here in the terms of the discussion?

Okay. Here we go again. Elk, your ego is larger than life. You're a better man than me, Jesus. Is that better? Or do I need to put another quarter in the machine?

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Please note that the above article on the Southern Baptist Convention website says "Young Earth Theory" I emphasize theory so some of the scientists that may be reading might want to comment.

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Anecdotal but I think most fundamentalist(sic) reject evolution and believe the earth is around 6-10k years old.

Hell, Betty White is older than that.

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Ah, fuck. Yes, your ego is still intact, Elias. Your dick can touch the ground and mine can't. Fucking water-walker.

Lamont - can you clarify yourself here in the terms of the discussion?

Okay. Here we go again. Elk, your ego is larger than life. You're a better man than me, Jesus. Is that better? Or do I need to put another quarter in the machine?

ok.......
i dont like where this going, can we please redirect?

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In your world "there is no data" only because you have decided to ignore all of it. So who here is behaving as a Bible-thumping Creationist?

i think both parties in this argument are.

at this point, i'm very confused and unsure exactly what it is that is being discussed/argued. can someone help me (without being snide) define what the actual disagreement currently is?

I would say science vs. religion but religion based on a fundamentalist position and/or Lamont demands proof of evolution without the same requirement of God (or the Flying Spaghetti Monster-the one true designer).

The topic is the variability of the Earth's climate. Everybody is against me. Basically, JJ incited a riot on the forum several pages back.

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The topic is the variability of the Earth's climate. Everybody is against me. Basically, JJ incited a riot on the forum several pages back.

As usual, when reduced to insults, you simply lie. it's rather predictable.

If you really think I "incited a riot" why don't you take formal steps, chump?

J_J, I find what Lamont said to be very funny.

This is totally his "Bill Murray" performance.

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The topic is the variability of the Earth's climate. Everybody is against me. Basically, JJ incited a riot on the forum several pages back.

As usual, when reduced to insults, you simply lie. it's rather predictable.

If you really think I "incited a riot" why don't you take formal steps, chump?

J_J, I find what Lamont said to be very funny.

This is totally his "Bill Murray" performance.

I agree Buddha, Absolutely hilarious, one of Lamont's best

He is one subversive" basterd".

I had a vision this morning...

and it was to post this video to the forums in this thread: Miracles

SM posted this video a little while on his blog.

Best to read this article after you watch the video.

Here's an excerpt of the lyrics from the song
Fuckin' magnets, how do they work?

And I don't wanna talk to a scientist

Y'all motherfuckers lying and

getting me pissed.

I can cherry pick all day long... I can find several athiests are pedophiles..does that mean all athiests are pedophiles?

fallacious logic, pal.

http://hankhanegraaff.blogspot.com/2010/10/science-and-religion-arent-friends.html

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Ah, fuck. Yes, your ego is still intact, Elias. Your dick can touch the ground and mine can't. Fucking water-walker.

Sadly, once again you resort to ad hominem. Why?

But to clarify; I cannot walk on water, but I am pretty good at avoiding puddles.

Perhaps except this one.

If you ever decide to learn about evolution, rather than blindly repeating "there is no evidence", let me know. I am happy to provide resources. No faith required.

Insane Clown Posse. This shit will blow your motherfuckin' mind. So, take nuttin' for granted.

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Insane Clown Posse. This shit will blow your motherfuckin' mind. So, take nuttin' for granted.

Lamont, look in your rearview mirror....the "asshole line" is now way behind where you are.

What did I miss?

The answer to the universe.

And a few name changes, yours included.

Ha!

I see you changed your name back.

But now we know your Culpepper , nothing can ever change that.

Before he was related to that Fred fellow. May have been the Ripple...

It was originally "Culpeper" way back when. I was like the only new member that put together a bunch of junk to create a sound system. So, I changed it to Lamont Sanford. Also, Culpeper is no longer useful with the new system. As for my junkie system. It's still going strong.