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That is because they get to self label...and their media goes with the pretense. Does anyone anywhere really think Joe Biden is an intellectual giant or Obama a Constitutional Scholar?
Has any democracy long endured when the books were not balanced?
Are you using J_J's math?
Not very well. The democrats balanced the budget, the republicans gave us wave after wave of the biggest deficits in history.
So, now, why are you voting republican. Can you actually explain this, or are you just repeating what your master told you to say?
lol!
Naw, just going from Bushs' 830 billion bailout to Obama's almost 3 trillion in less than two years.
"I don't care!". I teach political science at Berkeley. JJ is right about everything. I'm going to report you to the campus police.
j.j. Recent history is NOT your friend
So, I think we're getting to the bottom of things....
Tebaggers say that it was the red Congress that was behind Clinton's budget acumen and lead to a balanced budget.
Then, a Republican President came along and with a combination of a red Senate, Congress, and White House would have further improved upon the balanced budget....but the Wagnerian scurrilous gay dwarf, Barney Frank overpowered those fine upstanding God loving abortion hating white straight men, Moody's, and Wall Street with his evil plan to ruin America. The red Congress, Senate, and President were powerless to stop him - and that's why, other than Obama, we suffered through the creation of the biggest deficits in history.
Even the teabaggers were held in check by barney's power.
Then, when it was no longer their majority or President doing the spending, the teabaggers awoke from Barney's spell and started having "taxed enough already" rallies even though income tax rates are the lowest since 1992.
The teabaggers never said a word until now. Reagan's 50% top marginal rate was OK with them, by the way, I guess.
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So, we have Clinton benefiting from a red majority, with Barney Frank obviously not yet having come into office. Saved by the Republicans.
Bush II's mess with everything being a red majority - not their fault, it was Barney Frank.
OK, there, we have a full handle on teabag thinking!
Regarding deficit spending....
...did you know....Bush II brought upon us the first two wars ever funded without being included in the budget. All on credit, baby! Bush II was powerless to stop the rogue accountants, I guess, too.
These "supplemental funds" made for an apparently lower deficit when the budgets were released.
2010 (Obama) marked the first year any of the two wars' costs were included in the official budget. Fucking Obama the Marxist socialist.....
Hmmmm, teabaggers would certainly be able to understand that they'd been hoodwinked by Bush II to make the deficit appear smaller than it actually was, right?
lol!! I'm fleeing to Mexico. Catch me if you can.
j_j "revised" recent history
Well Clinton did make a LOT of very public statements advising how a balanced budget was not possible, then said it would take 12, then 7 and then when it happened in 3, took credit.
In 1994 the Clinton adminstration proposed a $203 bilion deficit...they got it. In 1995 they proposed $175B...it came in at $164. In 1996 they proposed $204B and congress allowed $107B. In 1997 the budget proposed $210B and got $22 and in 1998 $210B was in the Clinton proposal while the actual deficit came in at a POSITIVE $60Billion...
Not exactly a big effort by Clinton or the dems in Congress to balance anything...
But they DID take credit...
On 14 Nov 1995 Clinton vetoed the Republican Balanced budget saying "We don't need these cuts to balance the budget. And we do not need big cuts in education and ..."
On 7 Dec 1995 he vetoed the reconciliation bill "We must balance the budget, but we must do it in a way that honors the commitments that we all have and that keep our people together"
10 Jan 96 he vetoed the welfare overhaul bill
In March 1996 he advised he would n longer fight the balanced budget proposals from the republicans...
http://pqasb.pqarchiver.com/baltsun/acce...mp;pqatl=google
etc, etc...
Clinton claimed credit for an effort he fought tooth and nail, after it was successful.
And Barney DID tell the world there was no reason to reform Fannie and Freddie (while getting a lot in campaign money from them) as all was well.
The deficit resulted in neither party stopping the spending, but it really took off in 2008-2010, some republican fault and most democrat...after all, they owned Congress by then.
Reagan did change things for the better
Bush and the entire Congress did fund two wars with funny money, but one Obama deficit is more than all the years of both wars.
JIMV, so long as some guy puts on a flight suit and panders to you, there's no limit to what you will spew.
We got you figured out at this point.
I would hope so. I have been clear for a few years on this forum. The left is largely what is wrong with the country, they have no respect for our history and the Constitution, and the Country is going to reject them in a way that cannot be spun in one more day.
No amount of the normal dem fraud will suffice and no amount of the 'count all the votes' fraud will save them this time. The public is angry and the dems will see it.
You can keep telling this lie as much as you want, but according to your perveted ideas, the "left" is Barry Goldwater and Ike Eisenhower, the way they "hate the constitution" is by supporting and enforcing it, and what you want is a return to a religious state run by a king, in which your kind is "on top".
It's the only way you'll ever get "on top", I'm sure, given that you act like you're from one of the socialist, money-sucking red states.
You are confusing your strawman with my position again and hoping no one looks too closely.
It will not matter...in a day or so your fantasy will be moot.
I don't know how they became so bitter. They were dancing in the streets two years ago. Now look at them. JJ is their poster child. He will report me to the campus police.
If I had the time I would search back and quote JJ directly from two years ago. But he would report me to the campus police.
The sad bit is the denial...They WILL be slaughtered in the biggest repudiation since 1938, or even 1932 and they pretend it is not their fault or their ideas being rejected.
Republicans seem to understand that it is not love for them that will win but absolute fear and loathing of what the dems sold us and crammed down our throats the last two years.
The republicans can blow it if they misunderstand but the dems can see even greater destruction in 2012 if they do not get it...they have 21 senate seats up in 2012 while the republicans only have 10.
I see you are from Washington...How are you going to handle the Rossie victory today?
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