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I feel the very leading and lagging edges of the pits have been likely 'rounded' by the intense electromagnetic field off of the demagnetizer, and thus the 'pit definition' is more perfected, and thus, due to how the signal is pulled off the CD's, there is a slight reduction in Jitter borne effects when it comes to bit placement (meaning start-stop bit/pit definition) in the read process.

Which one would be "the intense electromagnetic field off of the demagnetizer?"

Also, if the metal layer is suspended in a relatively solid (polycarbonate) medium, how does it change shape within that medium? Does it compress or move the polycarbonate in some way, or are you saying that there is space within the medium for these metal areas to move around?

If so, maybe we should just be putting them on a mat and giving our CD's a good whack before each play...but then the centrifugal force would quickly have its own effect as tried to play our discs.

Thanks for the report, KBK. Interesting stuff. I've been looking for my old bulk eraser but haven't found the right box of junk yet.

Did you try your experiment with CD's or CD-R's?

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Also, if the metal layer is suspended in a relatively solid (polycarbonate) medium, how does it change shape within that medium?

The metal "layer" is suspended between two polycarbonate layers. The polycarbonate hasn't filled the pits to the point they cannot be reformed.

Does the fact that the metal in the disk is non-ferrous aluminum and unaffected by magnetic fields mean anything?
Digital circuits are meant to translate inputs into either a one or a zero. There is a certain level of signal that defines if it is a high or a low. Signal levels should not be close to this definition level and should pass through it as quickly as possible. A very fast rise time minimizes the amount of time for a circuit to pass through this zone of indifference. Slowing down the rise time has the opposite effect.

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Does the fact that the metal in the disk is non-ferrous aluminum and unaffected by magnetic fields mean anything?

I was under the impression that all metals were at least slightly magnetic. Plus I believe that a magnetic field can be used change the path of a stream of charged particles such as a laser . I'm not saying that together these could change sound quality because I haven't tried it but I allow for the theoretical possibility.

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As I said before, way back ...

As you said, there doesn't seem to be any naysayers in sight. Good job, KBK.

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Also, if the metal layer is suspended in a relatively solid (polycarbonate) medium, how does it change shape within that medium?

The metal "layer" is suspended between two polycarbonate layers. The polycarbonate hasn't filled the pits to the point they cannot be reformed.

So, there is air space, or vacuum space?

I did not know that.

I've seen pictures of scanning EM's of the pits, I wonder if the changes you postulate could be seen at that gross of a level.

As an old hand with Rat Shack BTE, technique is very important. Circular motion for 2 seconds, one side only. Release the button on the BTE only after BTE has been pulled away from CD 2-3 feet.

You might also have luck using passing the BTE over the interconnects, once only. YMMV.

Cheers

Remind me some time to bring you up to speed on the Nespa, described in the excellent article, "Photon Cannons," by the two PhDs in Netherlands. The Nespa is a fascinating little gizmo (from Japan) that purportedly affects pit/land geometry in the thin metal layer.

Cheers

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Remind me some time to bring you up to speed on the Nespa, described in the excellent article, "Photon Cannons," by the two PhDs in Netherlands. The Nespa is a fascinating little gizmo (from Japan) that purportedly affects pit/land geometry in the thin metal layer.

Cheers

I'm familiar with it.

Another device where before and after imaging would be 'enlightening.'

Maybe they should try it on LP's.

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Plus I believe that a magnetic field can be used change the path of a stream of charged particles such as a laser .

A laser beam is NOT a stream of charged particles. Take a high school physics course sometime and find out just what it is.

gotta love the passive aggressive rants, posted intentionally to stir something up...

why rehash what has been said so many times? it doesnt change. if there is a difference, there is a reason why, and that reason can be measured. enjoy your little experiment.

what is the sound of one hand clapping?

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I do definitely note that the 'illiteratae', the noobers of the audio world, the naysayers, the 'black and whiters', the 'if I can't figure it out, it must be pure bull' rooftop screamers, that they have not contributed to this thread.

They have stayed far, far away.

If there is a scientific basis appearing for an observed phenomena --then they shut up.

However, in their ignorance, they fail to understand that all I repeat, all items or things in this world that mankind manages to put to scientific test..first comes the 'empirical observation' of an effect or situation via human observation.. then it is looked at close enough to figure out if a test of some sort is valid enough to be applied against the suspected phenomena, and maybe put some meat on the bones of the observation, with respect to developing a theory and hopefully a valid and applicable testing regime.

Science, 101.

Normally, if someone said they 'heard an effect' when they demagnetized a CD, these 'illteratae', would near instantly jump on the given person for being a 'FOOL' of some sort..and begin to gather around and as a group (ie, group beatings. An activity that involves insecure animalism-at it's core)... to pummel the 'observer of phenomena' to the ground, to try and convince that observer that if the illiteratae cannot hear it --then it must be false.

Such unmitigated small minded garbage. Insanity. Childishness. Animalism. Ignorance. Insanity. Inhumanity. And far more.

Once again, note how they remain silent and under the radar when something can somehow seem 'plausible'.

Will they ever learn from their mistakes, to fix those internal issues? I don't know, but all I can do is hope, for I am mortally sick of their crap.

Apologies for ending a note on this observed phenomena with what seems to be an attack on people, but it most definitely needs to be said.

Hearing is a learned skill -as an audiophile-, and that combined with an innate skill of physical capacity for discerning said small components of the audio signal. We all have different capacities and are all at different levels when it comes to working on this skill set.

The naysayer emperor NEVER, EVER had any clothes. EVER.

Not even once.

Their very premise for their complaints was invalid, scientifically unsound, humanly unsound and logically unsound---right from the very moment they opened their mouths.

This point needed to be raised and needed to be said in the same time period -so the evidence, the trail, the moment, the action of the reciprocal of the attacks..that it can be noted and seen - as it happens. Very important.

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why rehash what has been said so many times? it doesnt change. if there is a difference, there is a reason why, and that reason can be measured. enjoy your little experiment.

Brilliant rejoinder, ncdrawl, just brilliant.

LOL!

Oh, were taking about induction heating. I misunderstood. From the subject name I thought that the claims were being made because of demagnitizing.

"I'm familiar with it. Another device where before and after imaging would be 'enlightening.' Maybe they should try it on LP's."

Probably photon bombardment will not work for LPs; however we know that subjecting LPs to cryogenic treatment will improve the sound quite a bit, reducing noise and distortion. One theory is the cryo treatment removes stored energy in the vinyl material, reducing noise. So, on one hand the CD is apparently amenable to Magnetic, Photon and Temperature treatment, while LP only Magnetic and Temperature, But 2 out of 3 ain't bad.

The 6 Moons Nespa Review Summary below if anyone interested:

Summary of the Nanotec Nespa Review by 6 Moons:

"Our search ended with Japan's Hitachi Corp. They produce almost anything imaginable, including CD production systems. Here we found a clue that linked Nanotec's theory on the workings of their Nespa and Kait's effects of the IC. Hitachi states that it is common knowledge that surfaces of certain plastics are modified by ultra-violet light irradiation. UV has a short wavelength and thus high energy. UV is able to cut the stable bonds of the molecules at the surface of the plastic. While doing this, the surface will be flattened and smoothed. When the plastic to be treated happens to be a polycarbonate -- a plastic which contains oxygen -- the effect of UV treatment is even stronger.

So by means of UV treatment, a CD made from polycarbonate is changed at the plastic surface. This is the same effect that is used in hardening or curing with UV. Polycarbonate is an amorphous substance, hence its great optical qualities. Take for example lenses and glasses made from it. In chemistry, it is called Fries rearrangement by means of photo-chemical excitation. That's also the action of our photon cannons. Back to Hitachi. They have fabricated an optical disc stamping machine that bombards a freshly stamped disc with UV before it is sputtered with aluminum or gold. They thus used prior UV exposure on the information carrying side of the disc. While UV treating the disc, Hitachi claims that the slight hardening and thus smoothing of the surface decreased noise when the finished disc was played. The 'pollution' that caused the noise was the irregular surface of the areas between the pits and lands. Hitachi provides hard figures as well. An untreated disc has a surface roughness of 1.0nm (nanometer). In comparison, a pit has a 'height' of 0.11mm (micrometer), 10.000 times larger. Hitachi measured the noise level and with a surface roughness of 1.0nm found a noise level of -123dBm/Hz while after UV treatment, the roughness minimized to 0.6nm and the noise level to -127dBm/Hz.

This is all fine for a stamper. Audiophiles have to deal with a finished product where the pits are already covered with a shiny layer, including this alleged surface roughness. The question remains why the photon bombardment does what it does. Is the reflective layer, the mirror, enhancing the photons' power right at the border of the two materials to give credence to Nanotec's theory? And what is the effect of the polycarbonate itself as it is slowing the incoming light's speed by almost 50% while also refracting and focusing it? Too bad we still have all of these questions remaining but hey, what do we know? We're just hobbyists."

~ Cheerio

Nespa Specs:

The flash applied is rated at 1000mW/sec, has a temperature of 5500K and light intensity of one million Lux. So in fact the disc is exposed to sunlight without destroying it.

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I wonder why, if Hitachic studied ultraviolet light, Nespa would not try to do the same thing, instead, opting for a the 5500K visible light flash bulb with such a small UV component?

Interestingly, Hitachi even makes ultra-violet curing equipment that Nespa could have OEM'd, but the Hitachi Uv treatment color temperature profile is much different.

Also, as described in your reply, UV light's effect is not related to 'hot temperature' in how it breaks bonds, but the Nespa review says, "...with the applied heat possibly evaporating the pulverized residue."

I think the author(s) confuse that 'temperature' data with heat and not with 'color temperature' and overlook Hitachi's direct report that what they did was smooth surface irregularities, not "pulverize" things inside the CD.

The Hitachi claim regards only the surface of the disc, and not the area "between the reflective film and the polycarbonate."

Hitachi's studies are reported as being entirely surface related.

You can Google the wavelengths for their 'treatment.' Nothing really to do with a 5500K flash bulb operating primarily in the visible spectrum.

Oh, well. We see many instances in tweaks of someone finding a scientific tidbit and then grabbing it as a product sales spiel.

Not saying the Nespa 'can't' work, just that the explanation isn't right.

The Nespa may work great for its proponents, no quibbles about their satisfaction are implied by my reply.

Yeah, I found a couple nits to pick, myself... oh, well, guess PhDs are fallible like the rest of us. I wish information could be put on a spoon and inserted into the mouth like pablum.

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Yeah, I found a couple nits to pick, myself... oh, well, guess PhDs are fallible like the rest of us. I wish information could be put on a spoon and inserted into the mouth like pablum.

Wow, those reviewers are PhDs?

As to the spoons full of pablum - they seem to be able to spew it, just not serve it!

Yup, Marja and Henk, husband and wife from Netherlands.

Whatever nits one might have, you have to admit they go WAY beyond the usual, "I don't know how the thing works but it does" observations one usually gets from reviewers.

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Yup, Marja and Henk, husband and wife from Netherlands.

Whatever nits one might have, you have to admit they go WAY beyond the usual, "I don't know how the thing works but it does" observations one usually gets from reviewers.

Yes, they do go way beyond "I don't know how the thing works but it does," they actually make up reasons.

PhD's who don't know about how light characteristics can be expressed as temperature. Got any biography material?

I wonder why Nespa never saw fit to offer a correction. If they were sharpeners, they should be all over getting the details explained.

Buddha, you should contact them, I'm pretty sure they'd be delighted someone actually read the article.

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Buddha, you should contact them, I'm pretty sure they'd be delighted someone actually read the article.

They seem quite nice.

Plus, the not so amazing randy doesn't like them, so that's a point in their favor.

I've gotten to hang with Srajan a few times and enjoyed his company, too.

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Plus I believe that a magnetic field can be used change the path of a stream of charged particles such as a laser .

A laser beam is NOT a stream of charged particles. Take a high school physics course sometime and find out just what it is.

Here is what I read (http://www.wonderquest.com/extinctions-safetyglass-magnetslasers.htm)

A: A magnet can bend the path of any moving charged particle. In fact, that

A magnet can bend laser light by virtue of magnet's mass; the spacetime around the magnet is slightly distorted, bending the laser light a tiny amount.

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The flash applied is rated at 1000mW/sec, has a temperature of 5500K and light intensity of one million Lux. So in fact the disc is exposed to sunlight without destroying it.

After reading this thread, there seem to be quite a few disjoints in the information.

The '1000 mW/sec' is not clear. The unit 'watt' is energy delivery per unit time (Joules/second). So Joules/sec/sec means what?

Metals have different magnetic properties. The information taught in physics classes include such things as ferromagnetic vs. paramagnetic vs. non-magnetic. But basically students simplify it as: the first one is that attracted by magnets, the third is not, and can't remember what the second is. One can say that all metals are affected by magnetic fields to some varying degree. What that does to the metal on a CD remains to be better explained, as far as I can tell.

Regarding the polycarbonate plastic not completely surrounding the metal pits, that may be so or not so. If it is not true, then the metal is supported on all sides and has nowhere to go when the metal is claimed to be moving. If it is true, then the laser radiation should not see a good transition on some of the pits of an non-demagnitized CD.

If the demagnitizer is heating the metal enough to soften the plastic so that it can deform, what force is doing the deforming and in what direction? Moving metal and plastic around might be a rather random outcome, so one never knows what shape of pit will result. Can you feel the temperature rise in the plastic after the metal is heated by the demagnitizer? Polycarbonate has a fairly high softening temperature, I thought.

Either way, I'm skeptical of the process and the outcome. However, I'd be willing to try it myself to see if I can detect any difference large enough not to have to depend upon a DBT to remove my experimenter 'non-naivete status' bias from this experiment.

As an aside, I did try the "Rain-X" treatment on CDs a long time ago and there was a unmistakable difference before and after. I'm not sure which was 'better', but the treble was reduced in the treated discs compared to the untreated ones. Washing with detergent in an attempt to remove the Rain-X was not completely successful. It seems like the treble was partially restored, but not to the level of the original untreated disc.

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A magnet can bend laser light by virtue of magnet's mass; the spacetime around the magnet is slightly distorted, bending the laser light a tiny amount.

So, unless you alter a CDs mass, it's magnetic state will not affect how it interacts with laser light.

I would agree with you.

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A magnet can bend laser light by virtue of magnet's mass; the spacetime around the magnet is slightly distorted, bending the laser light a tiny amount.

So, unless you alter a CDs mass, it's magnetic state will not affect how it interacts with laser light.

I would agree with you.

The question of will a magnet deflect or not deflect a laser beam is irrelevent here.
1. A CD is not magnetic.
2. If the CD was magnetic the tiny amount of energy reletive to the short distance that the beam travels would be insignificant.

Has anybody here bothered to look at a CD under high magnification for changes in pit structure after "treatment"?

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1. A CD is not magnetic.

Not true. We discussed this back in the "Furutech" thread. There are magnetic and paramagnetic materials in a CD.

Noone is suggesting magnetism would change the pit structure, are they?

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Noone is suggesting magnetism would change the pit structure, are they?

Cheers

A little...

KBK said: "Therefore, it is plausible to aim toward investigating the reformation of the pit edgesbeing the likely culprit to this noted increase in fidelity for the mechanical aspects of a good CD read."

So, some structural change, yes.

Be a lot less hassle to take the CD to a metalurgy lab equipped w/ electron microscope to examine and photograph the disc prior to and after any treatment you wish -- deguassing, Nespa, Intelligent Chip, what have you -- to see if pit structure is affected. You might have a small problem however -- locating the same pit(s) before and after treatment for comparison.

LOL, I promised myself I'd stay out of this comedy of errors, but I couldn't resist. I sent a link to this thread to my long-ago first studio partner who now lives in New Hampshire, and here's what he just wrote back, unedited and uncensored:

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This KBK rambles on how he moved the pits on a CD with a demagnetizer?! This guy is a complete loon. And of course he can hear his moved pits sounding better. It's always better with these guys, never worse. The pits moved to just the correct spot because the CD manufacturer had the pits in the wrong place. LOL! But his demagnetizer solved the problem of a multi-million dollar CD stamping machine. What a Fucking TOOL! This guy is wasting air that could be used for sane people.

I cheated and magnetized a CD. It sounded better, too.

Left it on a powerful magnet for a week and it sounded better when I played it.

I'll let you know how long the effect lasts before it requires re-magnetization.

Maybe it's an 'either end of the spectrum' thing.

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What a Fucking TOOL! This guy is wasting air that could be used for sane people.

Hey, do me a FUCKING favor.

Ask this guy this, if someone told him curdling milk and mixing it with the lining of a dead cow's stomach, mixing in some grodey ol'fungus dug up from the roots of a tree, then leaving it out in the "sane people's" air for two years would make it taste better, what proof would he need before he tried it?

I have a cheapo de-magnetizer -- the Bedini Ultra-Clarifier, which cost about 60 bucks when I bought it. I figured, "What's to lose"? As you all know, I have to hear this stuff for myself. I tried it only because my old friend Robert Harley said he heard some improvements using this unit.

It only improves sound about 25% to 50% of the time. When it does, there is an audible decrease in glare, and an increase in apparent soundstage size, both width and depth. At first, I thought that the improvements came randomly. Over time, I realized that most of the time improvements became apparent, it was with older CD's. I noticed it most on a few Deutsche-Grammophone recordings done in the late 1980's. I have no idea why this is so.

Also, the unit helped the playability of a few of my Philips CD's (Brendel playing Mozart concertos). I am still using a Meridian 508-24 CD player. It has terrific sound, but, considering its cost (around $4,000), it is a piece of shit mechanically. It just refuses to read about 10% of my 2,500-CD collection, except for the occasional time it decides to cooperate. It jabbers and squeaks, gets hung up like a needle in a scratched groove, then just goes all the way to the end of the CD, playing nothing in between. My Sony SACD player (the old top-loader) tracks ALL these discs.

The Meridian will someday end up on the hood of the 1978 Pontiac that parks beneath my patio window.

But, I digress. Occasionally, I will take the offending CD and run it on the Bedini. Miraculously, the Meridian will then track it. The fix is not permanent, however, and I have to repeat the process later, if I don't play the CD for awhile.

Of course, to assert that the de-magnetizing process somehow realigns the pits and grooves seems absurd, even to me -- that is, even to someone who has no idea how these fucking tin plates work. However, since magnetism is a field, my tiny brain tells me it may have something to do with the laser end of the hook-up. Perhaps the de-magnetizing process affects, for a brief time, the way the laser interacts with the CD.

The above, incidentally, is just ONE of the many reasons why I prefer vinyl. The needle plays EVERYTHING, without protest, until it hits a physical barrier (scratch, crud, whatever). Then, you just get up, walk over, and re-set the needle one or two grooves over. No mysteries. Just music.

Anyway, I would not necessarily recommend the Bedini to anyone. It has done okay, for 60 bucks. It has allowed me to hear some improvements, to some CD's, occasionally, and it has allowed me to play some CD's that the Meridian refused to track, before de-magnification.

Why not just play everything on the Sony? Because, alas, the Meridian sounds better, when it decides to cooperate mechanically. And, like most audiophiles and music lovers (not to mention the commodities and stock traders, and golfers), I have come to understand that no day is complete without pain. Whenever things are going too smoothly, I just throw a Philips CD in my Meridian (or an occasional Columbia or Deutsche-Grammophone), and accept the pain I so richly deserve...

Happy tunes.

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LOL, I promised myself I'd stay out of this comedy of errors, but I couldn't resist. I sent a link to this thread to my long-ago first studio partner who now lives in New Hampshire, and here's what he just wrote back, unedited and uncensored:

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This KBK rambles on how he moved the pits on a CD with a demagnetizer?! This guy is a complete loon. And of course he can hear his moved pits sounding better. It's always better with these guys, never worse. The pits moved to just the correct spot because the CD manufacturer had the pits in the wrong place. LOL! But his demagnetizer solved the problem of a multi-million dollar CD stamping machine. What a Fucking TOOL! This guy is wasting air that could be used for sane people.

Well, I took this to the highest authority.

My wife.

And here's what she said, unedited and uncensored:

"Who on earth is that guy to say KBK is waisting air that could be used on sane people? You're all a bunch of tools to begin with. Ethan's friend is worse than Aunt Harriet."(That would be a bad thing, Ethan.)

Sorry, Ethan, KBK may be a tool (to use your friend's word,) but he's our tool. Your friend is out of order unless he wants to come register and join the festivities and let KBK call him names in return.

Of course, Ethan, this invalidates everything you will ever say about any other subject.

Now, be a good boy and go report back on whether Jan properly trimmed the shrubberies.

Oy, Ethan, cyber-stalking and now sniping by proxy.

What's next, posting may's dress size?

>>> "I cheated and magnetized a CD. It sounded better, too.

Left it on a powerful magnet for a week and it sounded better when I played it.

I'll let you know how long the effect lasts before it requires re-magnetization.

Maybe it's an 'either end of the spectrum' thing." <<<

Stay with "Maybe it's an 'either end of the spectrum' thing." I.e BOTH magnetising and de-magnetising have an effect !!!

Put on another thinking hat. Think Polarity and Electret. And, include vinyl records (i.e also made of plastic material) !!!!

An Electret is a piece of plastic which has been permanently polarised - a polarity induced into it - (some crystals also have a natural permanent polarity).

A CD is a plastic, aluminium, plastic layered disc. Imagine a (new) pristine plastic, aluminium, plastic layered disc which, when played, is then spun, horrendously, within an electromagnetic field. Could this plastic, aluminium, plastic layered disc acquire, over a period of time and from extended playing, a (temporary ??) polarity induced into (OR on) it ???? The CD is 'read' in a certain direction - a one way direction !! As is a vinyl record. A vinyl record is always 'read' in the direction from the outer edge to the inner hole by the cartridge (which also contains a magnetic field) - NEVER the other way round and NEVER in alternate directions - so any induced polarisation will always be one way !!

Say (hypothetically) this induced polarisation of the disc is adverse (to sound) but because it takes place imperceptibly, over time, it is not noticed because the adverse change to the sound is so gradual. I use the word adverse because if you can do something to the disc and improve the sound, then the condition PRIOR to doing whatever you did must have been adverse !!!!

By the disc spinning horrendously and repeatedly in an electromagnetic field, do we now have an induced polarisation pattern on the disc (albeit a temporary one) ?? By applying a magnetic influence (either magnetising or demagnetising) to that disc, is the temporary but adverse polarisation altered or reduced sufficiently for the adverse effect on the sound to also be perceived as reduced ????? Because, if an adverse effect is reduced, then the sound would be described as 'better'.

Here is the crunch bit. The bit which causes such problems. That the effect I am suggesting DOES NOT alter, in any way, the digital information already stored on the CD but the effect DOES alter the SOUND !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

>>> "I'll let you know how long the effect lasts before it requires re-magnetization." <<<

If, after magnetising, the disc is then played many times again, the induced polarisation could take place again, so yes, the disc COULD require re-magnetising again some time later !!!!
You will no doubt be aware that when using de-magnetising devices, it is recommended that the de-magnetising of the disc is repeated at regular intervals.

Why would you say that you 'cheated', Buddha, by experimenting with magnetising a CD ?

Surely you have been investigating and experimenting most of your professional life ??

You will also see from Clinton's posting re demagnetising - he is using the description of the improvements in the sound as "audible decrease in glare, and an increase in apparent soundstage size, both width and depth" !!!!! SO MANY people use those identical words to describe the improvement they hear whether they have used the technique of cryogenic freezing, colouring the edge of CDs, Harmonix discs in the room, tiny room resonance devices, new interconnects etc. Etc.

Something is going on that cannot be explained from conventional electronic or acoustic theories but which affects SOUND !!

Supposing there is a temporary polarisation taking place on the CD ? BUT, that that polarisation does NOT alter the actual digital information stored on the disc ?

With that concept, Welsh Hi Fi would not need to 'get hot under the collar' because the digital information, stored on the disc, would not have been changed - so, in that respect he would be right. BUT, YOU would also be right when you experienced the sound better after magnetising a CD, Michael Fremer would also be right when HE experienced an improvement in the sound after applying a de-magnetiser to a CD and Clinton would also be right when HE describes hearing an improvement of "audible decrease in glare, and an increase in apparent soundstage size, both width and depth" after HE treated some CDs with the Bedini Ultra-Clarifier.

If there IS a polarisation taking place on a CD, then this is a PHYSICAL happening. IF magnetising or de-magnetising a CD can create an improvement in the sound, then this is a PHYSICAL happening. Are so many things happening REALLY going to be continually dismissed as "auto-suggestion", "the placebo effect", "imagination", "snake oil", "audio faith healing", "effective marketing", "needing props, talismans, rituals, potions, elixirs etc" ??

Regards.
May Belt.

Much as I dislike complicating matters, I submit that we know demagnetization works for interconnects as well as CDs, so there's an excellent chance the commonly held theory that a magnetized CD negatively affects the laser beam is incorrect. Ditto the theory of changing the CD pit structure magnetically.

GK

Further investigation:

The effect only lasts one play before degradation of the sound takes place. But, it does last for the whole length of the CD. Whew!

I am finding that one week on the magnet gets it to the point of diminishing returns for further magnetization. Then play it, then back on for a week...

Much like LP's should only be played once per day, CD's should only be played once per week and stored in a magnetic field.

New finding:

I have some very powerful magnets, and the best result is with a CD stored 'sandwiched' between two magnets.

In this fashion, with sufficient pretreament (sorry, it's proprietary. I could be assassinated, to my own detriment, for even having told you this much) and storage conditions, I have created a new CD state wherein it becomes a magnetic monopole and seems to remain free of either magnetism or demagnetism - a magnetic-independent CD state, even if those horrible inks are left on it.

I anyone would care to give it a spin, I'll sell them based on my time spent (charged out at minimun wage, since I can multitask) and you can see for youself.

Send me two copies of a CD, I will treat one, not treat the other, and then send them back for you to compare in blind fashion. One will sound better than the other.

Buddha's new Magnetic Monopole CD's will be the bomb. They will henceforth be called "51st State" CD's.

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Buddha's new Magnetic Monopole CD's will be the bomb. They will henceforth be called "51st State" CD's.

Jus'like the Republicans. Nothing to say, so you talk dirt about what will work.

Send me your magnets to try. You can get my address from Winer.

Don't even ask.

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Buddha's new Magnetic Monopole CD's will be the bomb. They will henceforth be called "51st State" CD's.

Jus'like the Republicans. Nothing to say, so you talk dirt about what will work.

Send me your magnets to try. You can get my address from Winer.

Don't even ask.

Sorry, these magnets would pull that plate right out of your cranium.

I'm not talking dirt, I'm talking new ways of thinking about this magnetism stuff. You pseudo-subjectivists get so upset when someone asks you to listen putside your rule-based box.

Did I mention that to make this work you have to have positive to positive magnet poles? Works better than negative to negative poles.

Takes thousands of pounds of pressure to keep the two magnets so close together in opposition.

But the sound!

Jan, you are now thread stalking me. If you try to bring things along from other places, I will do the same.

You puny animosity will get you no "51st State" CD's.

Ditto, Rushbo!

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Ditto, Rushbo!

Ah, so you agree you are thread stalking. That's a good Jan.

Now, let's keep it to talking about magnetism/demagnetism.

I had a friend who bought an MRI machine and we tried MRI'ing some CD's....nada, but we had some fun.