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More watts!
It MUST be better!
That's usually one of the items that can make it so. But I keep saying GOOD, clean, FAST WATTS.
DUP-
WHEN you go deaf can I have your speakers?
When I go to LIVE events, like tomorrow Matt Oreee plays in Union Beach N.J. I usually use EAR PLUGS..I've measured his gigs, avg about 106dB...constatn, peaks as high as 110. I've spent nights listening without plugs, next day not cool, I always now use ear plugs, buy em' by the 200 box for my weekly listens...LIVE is best.... www.mattoree.com Winner of Guitarmageddon!!! contest was over 3,000 contestants across the nation, narrowed down to 6 in Chicago playoff...Matt was SMOKIN'!!! Incredible musican....he's gotta get his big brake and make it BIG...too much talent to not be making big bucks, order his Cd online, try it, you'll like it
What's the point of going somewhere to listen to music that is so loud it requires the insertion of ear protection? I don't get it. I've made my living as a musician. While doing so I never felt the need to play anything loud enough to hurt my ears or those of the audience. Causing your audience to go deaf would start limiting its size. Loud is not good if it's too loud!
Cus' you not only hear it....you FEEL it. And I'm not talking bout' some BOOM BOOM BOOM of some BLOSE 80Hz crap. When the snap of a snare edge shot, the wail of the guitar.....clarity brilliant and loud. Take a meter to some live event some day, amazing how loud it is, when you don't think it really is. Your ears adapt, but it's really doing damage...permanetly. One of the worse (loudest) was a Kenny Wayne Shepperd in Tweeter Center Camden...it was SO loud, it was unbareable, now that was useless loud.....Then when he was done playing......guess what he does, pulls out ear PLUGS!!! That makes no sense. Loud good and there's loud BAD. There is a point where it's really dumb. But even moderate loud every day or week is no good, so I plug up it just takes the bite out of it, yet I still hear everything....So I can come home and CRANK IT!!!!! Without ear plugs....yeah, now it all makes sense. The live stuff can last all night 3-4 hours....the ear plugs really help. One of the WHO dudes is a big promoter of ear protection now, after his years of destroying his own ears, The Who where notorious for playing super loud, which was just over done. Loud alone is dumb, i agree, but when it's clean, resolved and every detail comes through, it works...not dumb loud, but 106dB, for a few hours will not be good for the ears over time it damages. Take the bite out of hearing loss, use ear plugs.
Maybe you missed the part about making my living as a musician. I guess you don't really understand my position as you have previously said you didn't understand Jazz. That's what I play. You don't need volumes in the bleeding ear range to get the feel of the music over. I suppose the less you have to say musically the louder you have to say it. It makes little sense for the musician playing the music to need ear protection. Whenever someone is playing that loud it has got to be for the shock effect. I suppose for lots of concerts extreme volume is needed to get through to a crowd that is listening with chemically enhanced/inhibited senses.
Don't understand jazz, that is correct. Seltzer water is my chemical enhancement. Chemically H2O. With citric acid, Lime or Lemon slice. See how one makes general ASSumptions. Actually Jazz to me sounds like bad cheical reaction. there is no begining, there is no middle, there is no end. there is no nothing. Let's recap, The Who made MILLION$, Jimi Hendrix, Led Zeppelin, Stevie Ray Vaughan, Rush,Buddy guy,Mountain, all play loud, not extreme, but LOUD...ear plugs. I would use total block ear plugs if jazz was being heard. Doobie Doobie Doobie , . To me jazz sounds like they forgot to put teh pages of music in the correct sequence. Like the wind blew the pages and everything is all disjointed. Lotsa local shows have way too much bass, masks the guitar and vocals, mention it enough, and they do lower it. Besides hearing the music, the reason for LIVE is to also feel the slam, feel the impact. Otherwise ya can listen to a BLOSE system and pretend it's mucis reproduction. Jazz is not my cup of tea. Confuses me, can't get in sync with the incoherent goings on. When the Beatles played Shea stadium, in the begining, they used way too small amps, remember? If you are old enough, couldn't hear em'...thus it lead to the development of real live venue equipment. Without WATTS, there is no concert. Jazz also doesn't fill large arenas does it, usually about 3 people in a small room, people all looking depressed, and smoking cigarettes, and drinking CHEMICALS?
DUP-
Don't forget about Pink Floyd, oh wait. You don't like Pink Floyd and you don't like Jazz. That explains a lot. Pink Floyd is basically Jazz with Rock instruments.
TOO much of a good thing, eh ???
Do yr Ear plugs have a flat freq response ???
A guy who listens to nothing but the blues and scoffs at jazz listeners and musicians for being depressed. Come on DUP. Why do you think they call it the BLUES. The entire blues genre can be summed up with
My baby's gone
Life is all wrong
Oh babe
Some of us need more mental and emotional stimulation than your basic 12 bar 4 beat to the bar music. Oh, I did forget to mention 10 bar and 14 bar blues. It's all so complicated that I had to install extra memory to remember that pesky 10 and that slippery 14. NOT!
I listen to everything except Jazz. Have you heard any SRV? Watch the real magic done with the guitar. Hardly what you infer. Make sure you get to see Buddy Guy LIVE, you will understand. Do some research and you will see the incredible influence this genre' of music has had on it all. To me jazz has no structure, it always sounds like they are constantly tuning up, getting ready to play and never get to the performance. Smooth jazz, cool jazz, jazz jazz, it's all disjointed. Even Led Zeppelin and Rolling Stones are blues based. I was just listening to The Cowsills CD yesterday, ain't no blues there...I am versatile, anything but Jazz.
I met SRV! My brother and I went to see him when he played the Bijou here in Philly. We went backstage after the early show and talked with him. He showed my brother a couple of licks and showed him how he played with a de-tuned E string. I've seen Buddy Guy live several times.
If you want to hear guitar played well listen to some George Benson before he started singing. Discounting the only art form that the new world has produced hardly qualifies you as versatile. I listen to every artist you have ever mentioned. The list isn't that long and it's just the same old rehashed blues. I on the other hand listen to a variety of music including Jazz, Classical and yes, the blues. I need more variety and some intellectual stimulation with my music. Jazz and classical satisfy that need.
I made my living as a musician for a while and have played in blues bands. I get more personal satisfaction from playing jazz. The blues can get kind of boring after a while although they are sometimes fun to play.
Listening to jazz live or recorded you need no ear protection. If you are used to using such maybe that's why you can't hear what's going on in Jazz.
I like Gospel also....it's got Energy. It's got rhythm. Guitar Shorty, Lonnie Brooks, Roy Buchanan, Jimmie D. Lane, Matt Oree. www.mattoree.com
Gospel and the blues are just about the same thing. All those guys you listed are just more in the way of the same old thing.
Then so are any rock groups like Zeppelin, Rolling Stones etc. All Blues Based, Cream Eric Clapton, if we extrapolate this further, everything is the same there are only so many notes on the scale to use. Problem with that is jazz uses them notes in the worst way. No emotion, no soul, no depth, basically annoying tones and sounds. Disjointed non connected notes. Jazz doesn't stir my soul, doesn't energize me, like watching a master on teh guitar wail away bending them strings, like SRV or Matt Oree can do. Jazz just ain't got it. Then there is the even more bizzzare jazz singers, like Ella Fitzgerald, doobie doobie doobie do wah do wah, it's like sh eforgot teh words, and is strugling. It scambles my head listening to the stuff. Jazz was created so poor musicans who really didn't have any soul, or depth to their playing could fake it, and do some disconnected stuff, with no rhythm, soul or emotion. Mostly it's chaos.
DUP: "Only the blues."
Ayatollah Youso: "Only calls to prayer."
DUP: "Only watts, AVA."
Ayatollah Youso: "Only the Koran."
DUP: "Only Legacy Whispers."
Ayatollah Youso: "Only burkhas"
DUP: "Only Duddleston and Van Alstine."
Ayatollah Youso: "Only Muhammed and Allah."
DUP: "Only the wires I endorse."
Ayatollah Youso: "Only the beliefs I endorse."
DUP: "Slam, power, explosive impact."
Ayatollah Youso: "Special belts with explosive impact."
DUP: "Best live sound ever is at The House of Blues, Chicago."
Ayatollah Youso: "Best live sound is via a PA speaker mounted on a minarette."
DUP: "Audiophiles who claim to hear differences in cables are deluded heretics."
Ayatollah Youso: "Anyone who disagrees with me is a deluded heretic."
DUP: "No single ended low power tube amps."
Ayatollah Youso: "No Jews."
LMAO
At least you are paying ATTENTION to my every word.....now in our next class we will question how AQ now has 72V hanging or they say 2 36V, where do they find 36V batteries anyway? 4 9V's on the end of a cable, sells one for $9,100....hahahahahahaha Hope they are Li ion or NiMh....does it come with a charger? Oh, they say it's not loaded by anything, they still will loose voltsa over time, when it's not the correct voltage, surely the sound will degrade, I think they should have them on continuos charge, so now you plug into a 125V line to power the charger, and you then hook it up to the audio ckts, think they will get UL/ETL listing for that confinuration? Then it will need an AC isolation block of say Mapingo WOOD, or some PS Audio noise sniffers!!! $400, for friggin little plug in thing with an LED on it!!!! In this month's Audio Advisor catalog!!! Don't see no UL on it, therefore to what specs is it made for noise spike suppresion, I think UL 1429 or soemthing is a spec for stuff....But if it has a voltage on it, cdon't we have to demagnetize it with the FuruTech mystery magnet? Playing Chuck Berry doing BLUES!!! Ever hear it, goes way back.....Chuck Berry Blues, says he was "groovin' the blues when he was a teen..one of Rock and Rolls founding fathers.....came out of the BLUES of course....Maybe I'll take a listen to The Mamas and the Papas, hardly blues based
Have you ever asked any of the blues musicians you seem to idolize what they think of jazz? I think not. It's rather obvious you don't play any kind of instrument. Your comments about soul and depth of playing make it quite clear you have no idea what you're talking about. Could those incredibly loud volumes you use while listening have scrambled your brain to the point that music more complicated and cerebral than simple blues is beyond your comprehension? If so it is nothing to brag about or be proud of.
Next time you talk to one of your idolized blues musicians ask him what he thinks of Jazz? Ask him what he thinks of artists like Coltrane, Miles, Wes, and Bird? Maybe you'll listen to one of your idols and stop denigrating something because you are unable or unwilling to expand your mind. At the very least he will probably tell you most blues musicians wish they could play as well as Bird, Trane or Wes.
You forgot:
Ayatollah Youso: Death to all the Infidels!
DUP: Death to the Jazz infidelity!
I dislike Horses also, just cus' someone else thinks they are the ultimate thang, I think they smell bad, take shit where ever they want, and will never fetch the ball when I throw it. If i ask some horse lover, what am I missing by not liking them, it ain't gonna change my mind.
I'm not into classical that much, BUT, I have sat down and listened to it many times, and CAN listen for an extened period, it has connectivity, some sense of order, non irritating. Jazz, whether is be smooth, lite,cool,or whatever else they wanna sub divide the stuff into is still disjointed, irritating, mindless, incoherent, ramblings of disjointed confusion. I think historically Blues had more influence on modern music than most anything else. So many biographys about popular musicans, in teh 50's, 60's, 70's 80's all mention back to what got them going. Led Zeppelin did actual Blues stuff, with their own twist. Whole Lotta Love, just changed the title of teh original, and sped it up. Jazz influenced itself it seems, and it still goes nowhere. Jazz SINGERS are even more bizzare. Incoherent pace, inchoherent patterns, I just don't get it!!! It is neither soothing, emotional, has any depth lacks any thing entertaining or interesting. I'd even rather watch and listen to Liberace perform, than listen to any of the so called hereos of jazz. I'll even take Big Band over jazz if I was forced into having to listen like if my life depended on it. Maybe one thing more useles is Brittany Spears music, or some Beastie Boys.
As usual you didn't answer the question. Ask one of your idols what they think of jazz. As for the rest of your answer, you only repeat the same monomania you usually exhibit. If you don't understand, comprehend or get it, it can't be any good. It's a shame you have closed your mind to so many things. That includes wires, cables, speakers and any gear not made by AVA. Usually a closed mind is a sign of senility. I wonder if there is a premature case here. I'm beginning to feel sorry for you. A closed mind is such a waste.
DUP, have you ever listened to Wes Montgomery or any of the other jazz guitarists? Give them a listen and you'll hear where many rock guitarist learned different ways to play the stings. Modern rock is more than just a reincarnation of the Blues.
I do have a bunch of Wes Montgomery on them "special" GOLD CD's....it still is mindless stuff even on those "special" gold CD's. I forget the label at this moment as it is 6AM...i think that label went defunct and Music Direct bought the name and resurected it. put that same guitar in the hands of a blues dude and that guitar comes ALIVE.....bending thoses strings like they where meant to be.
Geta bunch of stuff from www.alligator.com You will have a history lesson of where it all comes from. Great label for great music.
Just like any other style music, not all jazz is worth listening to. I'm not a hard core jazz fan but there is some great jazz guitar out there...Montgomery was the first to come to mind.
DUP, I gota "bunch of stuff", from Alligator. Being a fan of the Blues, and a founding member of the Baltimore Blues Society (www.mojoworkin.com), I had an large collection of Alligator, Blind Pig and other Blues labels. Just like any other venue of music there is a variety of Blues styles...Chicago, Mississippi, etc., etc. Listen to the horns, in some Chicago Blues, and you will here some big band and, yes, jazz. I'm sure your aware how much of an influence that the Blues were on the British Invasion bands, of the '60s. The Blues are everywhere.
That's what i said...Led Zeppelin, Rolling Stones Blues bands, Whole Lotta Love Zeppelin hit was not even changed the words from teh original you need love, many other Zeppelin songs all old blues songs....Blues influened all of rock and Roll, And Buddy Guy is still wailing away he taught Hendrix, SRV, so many others...
Yes, you did point out Zep, the Stones and others...I need to stop speed reading. As for Buddy Guy, he was also an influence on Clapton. Let's not forget (the now deceased)Roy Buchanan...a Buddy Guy contemporary...Roy frequently, but uncredited, played on the Stones records and at their live performances. Roy also played Appalachian Blues.
Got dozens of Roy Buchannan CD's. World's greatest UNKNOWN guitarist. And some videos of him..another one gone way too soon. Kenny Wayne Shepperd has a new Cd coming out, a guitarist who played on it, just died, who didn't start playing till 60 years OLD!!!!! Kenny Wayne Shepperd's last album sucked though, sounded like Lenny Kravitz, hopefully KWS new one is back to his original sound, and he grew his hair back, it seems he cut his hair, he lost his guitar power. Like Hercules, Hercules needed his hair for his strength, i think KWS needs his hair to play teh real stuff, not pop like Lenny Kravitz sounding stuff...
I've heard some of Shepperd's music and wasn't impressed...must have been from that last record you mentioned. BTW, it was Sampson who lost his strength upon getting a hair cut...by Delilah.
Delilah?
What's Tom Jones got to do with this conversation?
I've got ten Roy Buchanan LP's (as in vinyl). Who says he's UNKNOWN? I bought his first album in 1972 when I was 18. One of the world's greatest guitarists.
Get KWS first 2 albums, they be goooood. Last one stunk, hopefully th enew one coming out will be back to his ROOTS. LedBetter Heights is good and the other one I can't remeber. Also get Jimmy D. Lane It's Time on APO SACD terrific!!! Blue Heaven Studios at Acoustic Sounds, yeah Sampson, got my non super hero heros mixed up, i know it wasn't Fabio
PBS special back in early 70's...They called it The best Unknown guitarist
Then there is Rory Gallagher.
www.mattoree.com looks like Rory G. Rory G is one of his influences, Hubert Sumlin, still going strong, he was one of the judges at Guitarmegeddon!!! Where Matt smoked the competition....Judged by industry greats
LOL.
Maybe where we disagree starts in your calling Hubert Sumlin an industry great. There is the music industry and there are musicians. They are not the same. Playing an instrument is an art. Anybody else in the recording production sales chain is part of the industry. Musicians have to deal with the industry but they are artists. Hubert Sumlin is an artist!